On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 13:24 -0700, Mike Doty wrote:
> All-
> 
> We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only
> devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post.  devs who moderate 
> in
>  bad posts will be subject to moderation themselves.  in addition the
> gentoo-project list will be created to take over what -dev frequently becomes.
>  there is no requirement to be on this new list.
> 
> This will probably remove the need for -core(everything gets leaked out 
> anyway)
> but that's a path to cross later.
> 
> We're voting on this next council meeting so if you have input, now would be
> the time.
> 
> --taco

no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on
this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is
becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers. by
banning non-dev contributors from this list some of you may feel better
- but gentoo as a whole will probably suffer. silencing people doesn't
make their opinions invalid. what gentoo needs in my opinion is a clear
structure, strict and unmistakable rules about what $dev may do and what
$dev must not do, and ways to enforce these rules; this, and not
moderating or restricting communication channels, would improve the way
people are working together.

as this may be my last post - and it seems to fit in quite nicely - i
also want to say:

gentoo's problem is not that ciaranm is a troll. the problem is that
ciaranm is not a troll.
  

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