On 12/01/2012 10:50 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 01/12/2012 19:44, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> Someone's going to reboot three months after this change and their whole
>> office is going to be down while they try to figure out why they don't
>> have an LDAP server. For even a small business, that could mean
>> thousands of dollars.
>>
>> "Ha ha, you shouldn't have trusted me!" is not the appropriate response.
> 
> Erm, it might not be an appropriate response but ... to not check what
> is going on is not an appropriate way to conduct a business anyway.
> 

The only way to know what's going on is to read the ebuild. And nobody
has the time to do that for every default USE flag change, especially
when you're managing multiple machines.

In this case, USE="-minimal" is really USE="make_it_work_at_all", for
anyone who installs openldap on purpose.


> Especially not if you use a desktop profile on an LDAP server in
> production ...
> 

Maybe his boss isn't good with the terminal, and makes him install GNOME
on the servers? Who knows. The profile name is just an arbitrary string
associated with a set of defaults. People do weird things. This is not
in itself proof that the admin is an idiot deserving of punishment.


> Seriously, if that's a scenario that you find yourself into often .. you
> should consider changing habits.. drastically.

It's fun to condescend from time to time, but you shouldn't use yourself
as the bar against which you measure everyone else. Up to a rounding
error, everyone using Gentoo knows less about it than you do. They
should be able to keep a system running, too.

Anyway, I'm fine with the change as long as there's a news item. I just
get annoyed with the "don't use Gentoo unless you like your stuff
broken" attitude.

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