On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:05:19 +0000 (UTC) "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <jmbsvice...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2014, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:22:45 +0100 > > Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 > >> Luca Barbato <lu_z...@gentoo.org> wrote: > >>> Because I'd expect a stage3 to be posix compliant > >> > >> I agree. It's time to replace nano with Vim. > > > > Vim is not fully POSIX compliant; you may find it claim "mostly" in > > its documentation, but that's where it stays at and thus doesn't > > suffice... > > > > While we're at it, we must make everyone use a POSIX IDE with a > > ribbon! > > > > Jokes aside, this sub discussion is pointless; if we want results, a > > moderated mailing list as suggested in a reply won't cut it! > > It seems like everyone needs to "chill" a bit. Ciaran wasn't > trolling, he was making a point. I'm sure everyone around here > understood his point. There were no attacks and no "foul language", > so can we move forward? Constructiveness does not rely on just making points, as replacing nano with Vim is out of the context of adding bc back to stage3. Editors are a world apart from a build tool, even more so from being POSIX. In order to move forward beyond this point, that needs to be recognized. Does that make him attacking / foulish / trollish / unchilling? No; actually, it is helpful / smart / fluffy / chilling towards consensus as both the opposite and sarcastic interpretations help form that. > > What is really needed here is a vote by the Council on whether to > > add bc back to the stage3. If the people do insist, another vote > > regarding adding or changing an editor to stage3 could be done as > > well. > > No, there isn't a need for a Council vote here. Not in the way of having the Council actually vote, but by waking up everyone from these endless side points sub discussions by escalation. > This is something up > to Releng (in respect to what is in the stages) and to everyone in > respect to what is part of the system set. > Further, to me, this is a case where if anyone tries to side-step > Releng and go over it with a Council decision, than the council > members should be ready to start doing Releng work. > > I've stopped following this mailing list regularly quite sometime > ago. To see this thread is still going on and no one bothered to cc > releng, to me shows a lack of respect for the people actually doing > releases around here, as well as a real lack of interest in getting > this done as you can discuss this all you want, but in the end, it's > releng that works on this. If people desire a change, it'll be discussed for an eternity; until ...
