Richard Kilgore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

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>     1. not but-ugly, like TWM, VTWM, CTWM, and FVWM
>        I care more about functionality, but these are simply
>        depressing to look at.

  <url: http://terje.kvernes.no/tmp/snapshot2.png >.  is this
  butt-ugly?

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> Sawfish is pretty nice, but I'm so sick of LISP-configurable SW I
> think I'm going to puke.  Trying to get Sawfish to do anything it
> is fully capable of doing is a major endeavor for me, because I
> just don't seem to be able to think the way LISP programmers do.

  you have my sympathy.  for me, the almost-lisp part of Sawfish is
  the only redeeming feature of Sawfish.

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>     1. move a window to a pre-specified position on the screen

  check.

>     2. enlarge a window by X pixels in width or height

  check.
 
>     3. make a window a specified width by height, or one or the
>     other

  check.

>     4. move a window to another desktop (but stay in the one you're
>     in).
  
  check.

>     5. cycle between windows (not with a menu or pop-up window)

  check.

>     6. don't cycle between some of the windows (e.g., gkrellm).

  check.

>     7. for some X applications, put them on a pre-specified desktop
>     when they start (i.e., xterms on 1, ide on 2, browsers on 4,
>     etc.).

  check.

>     8. de-iconify a window (usually this involves popping up a menu
>     and selecting which one you want (using the keyboard -- and not
>     the damn arrow keys -- sawfish could do this - or some LISP I
>     wrote, I can't remember).

  not sure about this one, I don't use icons and rarely ever minimize
  windows -- I just have 16-odd virtual desktops instead.
 
> Does anyone know of a window manager that can come close?  Does
> anyone know of one that they are just impressed with the keyboard
> shortcut configurability?

  due to space issues at home, I can't really use a mouse with my
  current fvwm setup.  I never miss it though, as I do everything I
  need to do with the keyboard.
 
> And for this last one, I'm not talking about some small set of
> events that the author identified as worthy of keyboard
> accessibility (a la WindowMaker, Enlightenment, Blackbox, <almost
> all of them>).  I'm talking about something like twm had, where
> _everything_ can be done with the keyboard.

  yup.  with fvwm I can also send mouse-events (clicks and move the
  mouse) with the keyboard, if the application really needs to talk to
  a mouse for some reason.

-- 
Terje

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