On Thursday, July 31, 2014 08:34:09 AM Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 31/07/2014 03:55, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:31:50PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > > > >> Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale: > >>> While to me KDE is bloated, I just try to disable what I can and carry > >>> on. If my system was limited on resources, then I may use something > >>> else. > >> > >> and maybe you did exactly the wrong thing. KDE is very modular and > >> reuses its modules as much as it can. Which also means: memory is only > >> used once. > >> > >> There were once a very good (in my not so humble opinion. It think very > >> highly of myself) comparism here: > >> > >> http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/ > >> (url is dead btw) > >> > >> and if you actually use kde apps in kde - memory consumption is lower > >> than in either gnome or 'leightweight' solutions like xfce or > >> windowmaker+stuff. > >> > >> http://web.archive.org/web/20071229030604/http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/me mo > >> ry/desktop_benchmark.html>> > > The problem with KDE apps is that they're imitating what MS did with > > > > Internet Explorer. They pointed to the itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny little > > "ie.exe" that you could delete if you felt like doing so. They > > deliberately obfuscated that it was merely a front end to a ton of > > system libraries that you could not remove. Back when xpdf was being > > deprecated, various replacement options were suggested. I chose mupdf > > rather than the KDE app "okular". Here's why. After multiple attempts > > at "emerge -pv okular", I found I had to add at least the following to > > package.use to get it to work... > > > > dev-libs/libattica qt4 > > media-libs/phonon vlc > > media-video/vlc dbus xcb -ffmpeg > > dev-qt/qtcore qt3support > > dev-qt/qtdeclarative accessibility qt3support > > dev-qt/qtgui accessibility qt3support > > dev-qt/qtopengl qt3support > > dev-qt/qt3support accessibility > > dev-qt/qtsql qt3support sqlite > > dev-qt/qtsvg accessibility > > sys-libs/ncurses unicode > > > > Seems that if I want to emerge and use KDE's "pdf reader", I need... > > > > phonon > > vlc (or gstreamer) > > libmpeg > > libmad > > net-dns/libidn > > dev-qt/qtwebkit > > > > ...***FOR A STINKING PDF READER***. Here's the "emerge -pv okular" > > output with USE flag listings edited out... > > > > [d531][waltdnes][~] emerge -pv okular | sed " s/USE.*$//" > > > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > > > Calculating dependencies .... done! > > [ebuild R ] sys-libs/ncurses-5.9-r3:5 > > [ebuild N ] net-dns/libidn-1.28 > > [ebuild N ] kde-base/kde-env-4.12.5:4/4.12 > > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libpcre-8.35:3 > > [ebuild N ] app-admin/eselect-qtgraphicssystem-1.1.1 0 kB > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtcore-4.8.5-r2:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtscript-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.5-r3:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtsql-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtdbus-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtsvg-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qttest-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/designer-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtopengl-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtxmlpatterns-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] app-crypt/qca-2.0.3:2 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwebkit-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtdeclarative-4.8.5:4 > > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/libXScrnSaver-1.2.2-r1 > > [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmpeg2-0.5.1-r2 > > [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmad-0.15.1b-r7 > > [ebuild N ] media-video/vlc-2.1.2:0/5-7 > > [ebuild N ] dev-util/automoc-0.9.88 9 kB > > [ebuild N ] kde-base/oxygen-icons-4.12.5:4/4.12 > > [ebuild N ] media-libs/qimageblitz-0.0.6-r1 > > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libattica-0.4.2 > > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt-0.9.2 > > [ebuild N ] app-misc/strigi-0.7.8 > > [ebuild N ] media-libs/phonon-4.6.0-r1 > > [ebuild N ] media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.6.2 > > [ebuild N ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.12.5-r1:4/4.12 > > [ebuild N ] kde-base/katepart-4.12.5:4/4.12 > > [ebuild N ] kde-base/libkexiv2-4.12.5:4/4.12 > > [ebuild N ] kde-base/okular-4.12.5-r1:4/4.12 > > > > Total: 35 packages (34 new, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 309,990 kB > > I'm going to take issue with this post. > > Walter, you have completely misjudged what KDE is designed to do and are > blaming it unfairly. KDE apps are not designed to run in isolation - > they run in a greater context. That context is the KDE system. > > It was designed with the view that an app like okular will be installed > alongside other similar apps that let you deal with other filetypes. > Like audio, video, graphics, text. And so on. To do this, it needs the > libs it is built on. And it needs a graphics toolkit - Qt. The reason > you got such a long list of packages to install is because you do not > have any Qt installed at all. > > If you did not have any X installed at all and wanted to emerge xpdf you > would get a similar long list for exactly the same reason. > > The point I'm trying to make is that KDe was not designed with you in > mind. KDE could never work for you because of your viewpoint and that > viewpoint is in your sig. So please stop blaming KDE for doing what KDE > does correctly and well. Just realise that you are not the target audience.
+1 I quite like KDE and it worked quite well on my old netboot (Asus EEE 901 with 16GB SSD and 1GB ram) > As an analogy most of the world wants a sedan so Toyota makes the Yaris
