Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> writes: > lee wrote: >> Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> lee wrote: >>>> Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> lee wrote: >>>>>> Daniel Frey <djqf...@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/19/2016 10:15 AM, lee wrote: >>>>>>>> "Walter Dnes" <waltd...@waltdnes.org> writes: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Similarly, the vast majority of home users have a machine with one >>>>>>>>> ethernet port, and in the past it's always been eth0. >>>>>>>> Since 10 years or so, the default is two ports. >>>>>>> Not in any of the computers I've built. Generally only high end or >>>>>>> workstation/server boards have two ports. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i.e. not what the typical home user would buy. >>>>>> It is not reasonable to assume that a "typical home user" would want a >>>>>> computer with a crappy board to run Linux on it (or for anything >>>>>> else). If they are that cheap, they're better off buying a used one. >>>>>> When they are sufficiently clueless to want something like that, what >>>>>> does it matter what the network interfaces are called. >>>>>> >>>>> I built my current rig just a few years ago. It has one ethernet port >>>>> on it. Since it didn't work right, bad drivers I guess, I added a card >>>>> to have the second port. The rig I built before that, it also had one >>>>> ethernet port. >>>>> >>>>> I might add, I didn't buy a "crappy board" either. The first was Abit >>>>> which was the top rated brand at the time and my current board is >>>>> Gigabyte, another highly rated board at the time I bought it. >>>> I have no experience with Abit, and I can tell you from experience with >>>> a couple of them that Gigabyte is the worst junk for a board you can >>>> buy and that their support has no idea what they are doing. >>> Well, I have two of them and they work just fine. I might add, Abit >>> gave me many years of 24/7 service. Being outdated was its only >>> problem. Also, Gigabyte and Asus were the top rated boards when I >>> bought my board. Some who have been here long enough may even recall me >>> posting my buy list here on this mailing list. So, you thinking >>> Gigabyte is junk can go in the same place as your thinking two ports on >>> every board is the default. It's your opinion and not based on >>> reality. I've learned the same usually applies to hard drives as well. >> You must be assuming that the Gigabyte boards I've had my hands on >> somehow existed outside of reality. > > I think you are outside reality at this point. > > >> >>>>> As Daniel >>>>> points out, you have to get into some pretty high end boards before you >>>>> get two ethernet ports. >>>>> >>>>> Just for giggles, I went and looked at Asus boards, currently highly >>>>> rated. I had to get up around the $400 range to find two ports. Most >>>>> computers built for home use, and even some, maybe most, business >>>>> computers, only have one port. It's all they need. >>>>> >>>>> I might also add, I have a lot of friends that give me their old >>>>> computers. Of all the puters I have ever seen, they had one ethernet >>>>> port. Over the past decade or so, I've likely stripped out a few dozen >>>>> computers for parts. Not one of them had two ethernet ports. >>>>> >>>>> I'm with Daniel on this one. >>>> The last time I got a board that didn't have two ports is about 20 years >>>> ago, and I never bought one for 400. They all just have 2, needed or >>>> not, even cheap ones. >>>> >>>> >>> Odd. Just for giggles, I went to Newegg. I pulled up both AMD and >>> Intel boards. I then looked at the pictures of the top sellers listed >>> there. With my settings, it lists 36 on each page. Out of the first >>> page for each type, only a couple or so had two ports and only one that >>> I saw was under $200.00. The rest were more expensive than that. I >>> think that one $200.00 board was a Gigabyte by the way. I doubt you >>> want to claim owning that, right? Looked at 72 boards, only found a >>> couple or so with two ethernet ports. >>> >>> So, looking at a large website that has likely millions of customers, >>> carries about every brand of board there is, I could only find a very >>> small percentage of boards that have two ethernet ports built in. That >>> is not what a reasonable person would call the default. If it was the >>> default as you claim, then there should only be a few that don't have >>> two ports. You add in that Daniel, Taiidan and myself have not seen >>> such a default, then I think you are mistaken. >> That may very well be so, yet the boards around here usually have two >> ports. If the ones around you usually have one port, it's not >> surprising that you would assume a different default number of ports. >> So what? >> >> . >> > > I didn't go look at boards I had around here. I went to a major > computer supplier, newegg, and looked at what they had. Go back and > read again what I did and maybe read it more carefully. > > Might I also add, it's more than just me that has pointed out that you > are not correct on this. It's a few others as well. You ever stop to > think that what you observe is not the normal and certainly not the > default? If what you claim was even remotely accurate, newegg would > have had a lot larger number of boards with two ports on it. Thing is, > they didn't. Kai pointed out that the same is true in Europe.
Why would I assume that what someone else observes is a default? Besides, I don't see what problem you're having with this.
