Andrew


Dipping into this list after a long time ignoring it.



You asked: One thing which I personally am currently unclear on is the optimal 
microscale mixing ratios required.  Has anyone considered the effect of a dense 
injection regime, e.g. a balloon or slurry pipe, versus a distributed regime, 
e.g. an aircraft fleet?



Simone Tilmes said "I think it is important to point out that there is very 
likely a limit on how much the Earth's surface could be cooled using sulfate 
aerosols, due to coagulation processes and fall out of aerosols. Only less than 
2 W/m2 reduction of global net surface SW flux was achieved in the study by 
Heckendorn et al., 2009, using a micro-physical model to consider size 
distributions of the aerosols. Niemeier et al., 2010, achieved a stronger 
forcing if injecting particles at 30hPa, which allow them to stay longer in the 
stratosphere. Though it will be hard to inject particles that high."



Small scale mixing is exactly what we focused on in: Jeffrey R. Pierce, Debra 
K. Weisenstein, Patricia Heckendorn, Thomas Peter and David W. Keith. (2010). 
Efficient formation of stratospheric aerosol for geoengineering by emission of 
condensible vapor from aircraft. Geophysical Research Letters, 37, L18805, 
doi:10.1029/2010GL043975. (PDF with no password needed)



The point of this paper is that releasing H2SO4 vapor in plumes that are 
rapidly mixed allows production of sulfate aerosol with effective size 
distribution. We coupled a small-scale plume to a global model and found that, 
in our model, much less sulfate was required to get radiative forcings of a few 
Wm^-2 that is required with the SO2 method. (E.g., to get 4 Wm^-2 one needs 
about 8 Mt-S/year with this 'direct aerosol method' versus 20 with SO2.)



This method would not work with balloon pipes (assuming reasonable limits on 
the number of pipes) because dispersal rates must be too big for the H2SO4 
vapor route to work.



Moreover, we also looked a various SO2 schemes and we do find that reasonably 
even distribution is important to avoid the big droplet problem.



English, Toon and Mill's found similar results with respect to the need for 
broad dispersal of SO2  
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/12/4775/2012/acp-12-4775-2012.pdf. At first 
glance this paper appears to contradict ours on utility of direct H2SO4 
injection, but on close inspection I think it shows strong agreement. They 
found that H2SO4 emitted in dispersed from-that is mixed at the grid-box 
level-has no advantage. This is exactly what one would expect since from the 
aerosols microphysics is just like the production of H2SO4 by oxidation of SO2. 
My understanding is that subsequent e-mail exchanges between English and Pierce 
have clarified that there is no essential disagreement on this point. Indeed 
it's not clear if there's any way that one could disperse H2SO4 evenly in a way 
that matched the simulation of English et al.



David



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Hi



This paper is well worth reading



Heckendorn, P.; Weisenstein, D.; Fueglistaler, S.; Luo, B. P.; Rozanov, E.; 
Schraner, M.; Thomason, L. W.; Peter, T. (2009). "The impact of geoengineering 
aerosols on stratospheric temperature and ozone". Environmental Research 
Letters 4: 045108.

Bibcode2009ERL.....4d5108H. doi:10.1088/1748-9326/4/4/045108



The authors consider the temporal and spatial injection regime best suited to 
attaining well-mixed sulphur particles of the correct size distribution for 
geoengineering use.  They conclude that spatial distribution is helpful, but 
temporal distribution is unhelpful.  I personally would welcome list discussion 
on whether this conclusion is seen as reliable, and additionally clarification 
of the processes involved.



One thing which I personally am currently unclear on is the optimal microscale 
mixing ratios required.  Has anyone considered the effect of a dense injection 
regime, e.g. a balloon or slurry pipe, versus a distributed regime, e.g. an 
aircraft fleet?  Heckendorn do not seem to have addressed this issue at all in 
their paper.



It's unclear to me whether the injection density on a scale of 10E1-10E4m would 
be significant in the formation of aerosols.  I'm not aware of any paper which 
considers this microscale mixing.



Any links & comments are appreciated.



A



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