John, list,  et al:

        Apologies if this comes to you twice.  Am still at the conference hotel 
and have had trouble sending.  This time much shorter.


> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Ronal W. Larson <rongretlar...@comcast.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> John, list et al:
> 
>       Re your almost last sentence(emphasis added):
>        “BTW, I would also recommend an ambition to restore land and ocean 
> productivity to their levels of a few thousand years ago, before mankind 
> started to denude soils and sea of nutrients.”
>       I am pleased to report that we have just finished the 2016 Biochar 
> conference at Oregon State University  (Corvallis, OR), and that great 
> progress has been made since our last in 2013.   I would guess at least three 
> times more commercial presence and activity than then. Many new reports of 
> cost effectiveness - even as little as one-year payback. 
>       I would amend your sentence to express an ambition not to restore but 
> to double.
> 
> Ron
>       
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:25 AM, John Nissen <johnnissen2...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:johnnissen2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Benjamin,
>> 
>> I should have mentioned olivine crushing because it has a huge role to play 
>> in bringing down the level of CO2 in the atmosphere, for example directly by 
>> scattering on the beach or indirectly by promoting diatoms or soil 
>> improvement.
>> 
>> Re emissions reductions, I probably made a mistake in my earlier email, 
>> because I was assuming the maximum rate of emissions reduction, suggested to 
>> be 7% per annum, was an exponential reduction with a halving of emissions 
>> every 10 years and thus never reaching zero.  But the rate will be more 
>> linear than that, making it feasible to obtain an emissions reduction to 30% 
>> in 10 years and to near zero in 15 years.  
>> 
>> As well as this reduction, starting now, I propose immediate aggressive CDR 
>> over the next 10 years (including olivine crushing, biochar and ocean 
>> fertilisation) to obtain an equalisation of drawdown with emissions, thus 
>> achieving a zero net input of CO2 to the atmosphere, aka "carbon 
>> neutrality", by ~2025.  This will be the peak of CO2 level in the 
>> atmosphere.  The CDR will be exactly offsetting 30% the current level of 
>> emissions, assuming that maximum 7% annual reduction is maintained over the 
>> 10 years.
>> 
>> CDR should continue to be ramped up over the following 20 years, to obtain a 
>> halving and then a quartering of the climate forcing due to excess CO2 in 
>> the atmosphere, i.e. taking the level from its peak in ~2025 down to 340 ppm 
>> and then to 310 ppm.  
>> 
>> If IPCC were to accept this as a legitimate "representative concentration 
>> pathway", then there could be the ambition of climate restoration by 2050, 
>> with CO2 and CO2eq back to near pre-industrial levels resulting in a 
>> cessation of global warming well below the <2C target. 
>> 
>> In addition to CDR, there would need to be measures to reduce non-CO2 
>> forcing agents: to reduce fugitive methane: to suppress methane from the 
>> Arctic and from wetlands; to reduce black carbon, especially from tundra 
>> fires; and, most urgently, to save the sea ice, prevent disintegration of 
>> the Greenland Ice Sheet and restore albedo in the Arctic.  The ambition 
>> might be to restore the levels of albedo and greenhouse forcing agents to 
>> their pre-industrial levels by 2050.
>> 
>> BTW, I would also recommend an ambition to restore land and ocean 
>> productivity to their levels of a few thousand years ago, before mankind 
>> started to denude soils and sea of nutrients.
>> 
>> I am looking forward to your response.
>> 
>> Kind regards, John
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Schuiling, R.D. (Olaf) <r.d.schuil...@uu.nl 
>> <mailto:r.d.schuil...@uu.nl>> wrote:


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