One more thing: If we want to get many conservatives to seriously consider
man-made climate change as real, we also need to seriously consider that what
they've been telling us about Chemtrails, at least some of it, may be real.
Until we resolve their mistrust in climate science, nothing by way of climate
action will happen in US politics.
The current situation is deliberately cultivated such that both sides know some
of the truth, but neither side can see the truth on the other side. We've been
divided and played left and right.
Maggie ----------------------------------------* As always, if any webpage has
disappeared from the internet, look up in the following archiving sites to see
if someone has saved a copy. Likewise, when you encounter something likely to
be "disappeared" in the future, make sure to archive it in (all) these sites,
too . Donate to these sites to ensure their
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On Friday, November 24, 2017 3:52 PM, Maggie Zhou <[email protected]>
wrote:
But at least with Yahoo mail, spams are sent to Spam mailbox and stored for a
set period of time before being deleted, which is not the case with these
emails. They really disappeared immediately.
Facebook also blatantly deleted some of my posts, e.g., one on the well
researched article by former Guardian reporter Nafeez Ahmed, about How the CIA
Made Google:https://www.facebook.com/maggie.zhou.543/posts/1134176079964913Or
Why Google Made the
NSA:https://www.facebook.com/groups/134494750049692/permalink/464190120413485/Or
this:https://www.facebook.com/maggie.zhou.543/posts/1343670499015469
One more thing I want to mention - not to cause undue distress to list members,
but - it is in fact possible that, should a mass shooting actually happens at a
geoengineering conference for example, by a supposed "lone gunman" no doubt, it
could immediately be used to pass pre-prepared laws to officially ban all
"conspiracy theory" websites on the internet and in print, and arrest anyone
who doesn't immediately take down their existing posts in mandated time. We're
already more than halfway there on this Orwellian path.
Maggie
On Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:09 PM, Andrew Lockley
<[email protected]> wrote:
Emails get spam-trapped all the time. It doesn't mean that there's a global
conspiracy by the military industrial complex
A
On 23 Nov 2017 18:32, "Maggie Zhou" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all,
I don't have the energy to go into details right now, but I feel necessary to
alert you all to the following, and urge you to do your own research on this.
I believe scientists on this list are genuinely interested in geoengineering as
a way to combat the effects of global warming, and that they haven't yet really
started carrying out the spraying they've been proposing, although tests are
planned for very soon.
It's unfortunate that the word "geoengineering" has been confusingly applied to
what's behind chemtrails, leading scientists in the genuine field of SRM to be
a sort of escape goat for public fury over chemtrails.
I've done extensive research on the topic of "chemtrails", and definitely found
credible evidence (including govt documents dating back many decades but also
current ones, talking about "weather as a weapon", "dominating through weather
control", etc.; military whistleblower accounts; undeniable video footage of
(colored) chemicals being sprayed from high altitude - i.e., not crop dusting;
testimonies at city council meetings by various scientists showing the results
of their tests of samples they took themselves, and of the extremely abnormal
changes they observed in the chemical composition in the environment as
wildlife scientists, over a very short period of time which they say could only
be attributed to the areal spraying in those areas). There are too many lines
of evidence for this all to be dismissed.
Chemtrail spraying has been done the most in western states such as CA, esp.
near military bases. I think some of them may have to do with weapons testing,
besides weather manipulation (not cooling the planet though).
When I was working as a research scientist (molecular biology, then
bioinformatics) I was completely enclosed in my own bubble of scientific
fields. Only later did I discover the existence of a vast range of covert
military research and operations.
Bear also in mind that death threats could be sent by trolls, even the
mainstream media has exposed on the record how the US military and the
intelligence agencies employ a vast army of online trolls to control the
narrative they care about, each such personnel uses 10 different online
identity at any given time.
Email communications could also be interfered with and manipulated. I've
experienced it personally. On quite a few occasions, e.g., I was able to
confirm that emails sent to or from me have disappeared in transit, i.e., they
did not reach the recipient's inbox or spam mailbox. I've been researching and
informing about the immoral actions of the Deep State in areas of wars,
weapons, etc.
So whenever possible, communicate important things by phone.
I urge you all to not dismiss this whole thing as crackpot material. Keep in
mind though, that if you search in Google, you'll get results based on Google's
classification of what type of things you usually read - i.e., you'll probably
get as top hits sites that dismiss chemtrails. Try starting in Youtube and
search with specific words based on some of the things I mentioned above.
Best,Maggie
On Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:04 PM, David Sevier
<[email protected]. uk> wrote:
Yet another piece of living evidence that the IQ curve predicts that 40% of
the population will have an IQ of 90 or less. Happy Turkey day to our US
cousins. Dave From: geoengineering@googlegroups. com
[mailto:geoengineering@ googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lockley
Sent: 22 November 2017 23:13
To: geoengineering
Subject: [geo] Chemtrails conspiracy theorists are sending death threats to
climate scientists – VICE News https://news.vice.com/story/
chemtrails-arent-real-say- harvard-scientists-trying-to- fight-climate-change
CLIMATE CHANGE
Chemtrails conspiracy theorists are sending death threats to climate scientists
Chemtrails conspiracy theorists are sending death threats to climate scientists
By Hilary Beaumont Nov 22, 2017As world leaders grapple with reducing
greenhouse gases, Harvard scientists are planning to send a balloon into the
stratosphere that will spray aerosols to test their ability to reflect sunlight
as a way to cool the planet. It’s part of a promising field of research called
“solar geo-engineering” that aims to fight global warming.But scientists are
coming up against another problem: conspiracy theorists who are convinced that
they’re spraying chemicals for the purpose of mind control.ADVERTISEMENTA new
report by Harvard researchers published in the journal Nature has found that a
whopping 60 percent of online posts about solar geo-engineering are conspiracy
theories about chemtrails. And scientists are even receiving death threats from
chemtrail believers.
“You’re a part of this mass conspiracy killing life on Earth as we know it”
“You’re a part of this mass conspiracy killing life on Earth as we know it,”
one of the report’s authors Gernot Wagner told VICE News, quoting some of the
hate mail he has received.Searching the term “chemtrail” yields photo after
photo of white streaks in the sky. These streaks are actually contrails — the
condensation left by planes as they zoom through the sky. But chemtrail
conspiracy theorists believe the planes are spraying chemicals for weather
control, or even mind control.Alex Jones of InfoWars, who does not believe in
human-caused global warming, asserts that chemtrails are part of a government
program in which chemicals are secretly added to jet fuel.“I’ve been talking
about this forever,” he exclaimed in a recent video about chemtrails, global
warming and geo-engineering. “There is an entire atmospheric terraforming
geo-engineering manipulation. They don’t call it chemtrails. And of course the
CIA director admitted they have this huge program.”In another recent video
Jones says, “There is manipulation of the weather. It’s mainstream news, and
the media always picks it up and says I’m crazy. It’s on the Weather Channel
that there are secret programs. It’s just so secret we don’t know the
details.”Chemtrails are not real. They have been widely debunked, Wagner’s
paper states, but 2016 survey data showsbetween 30 and 40 percent of the
general U.S. public believes in them.A plane with contrails behind it. The
white streaks are condensation left by planes as they zoom through the sky.The
Harvard report used an algorithm to analyze a decade of social media posts
about solar geo-engineering between 2008 and 2017, mostly on Twitter, to see
how many were conspiracy theories and how many were scientific. The majority —
60 percent — were conspiracy theories.Some of the same people who believe in
chemtrails are also tweeting about Alex Jones and InfoWars, Wagner told VICE
News. Anonymity online helps spread these ideas, he says.Wagner says he has
received “plenty of emails” accusing him of being a mass murderer. His
colleagues have received them, too.
“It is a pretty frustrating situation to be in”
In one of his recent chemtrail videos, Jones said scientists can “kill anybody
they want” under “research provisions,” which could explain some of the threats
Wagner and his colleagues have faced.“It is a pretty frustrating situation to
be in,” Wagner says.“This is a relatively new topic,” Wagner says of solar
geo-engineering, which has only been researched for 15 years as a way to fight
global warming, “There is very little discourse on geo-engineering in general,
and now what happens is it’s being dwarfed by, dominated by, those spreading
this conspiracy theory.”
WHAT IS SOLAR GEO-ENGINEERING?
As greenhouse gas emissions (GHGs) continue to increase, they are trapping heat
from the sun’s rays, warming the earth and contributing to climate change. The
vast majority of world leaders and scientists believe the best way to limit
global warming is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by switching to renewable
energy sources. Another strategy is to capture carbon from the atmosphere and
store it underground.
Scientists see it as a complement to reducing GHGs, or a last resort.
For the past 15 years, scientists have been studying solar geo-engineering in
the lab as another possible tool to limit global warming. Scientists see it as
a complement to reducing GHGs, or a possible last resort if emissions continue
to rise. The research is hypothetical at the moment, and has not yet been
tested in the real world, Wagner says.When they send a balloon to the
stratosphere next year as part of a project called ScopeX, Harvard scientists
will be taking the technology from the lab into the real world for the first
time.The ScopeX project. (Harvard)Spraying aerosols to reflect sunlight is a
relatively cheap option. Scientists are essentially copying a natural mechanism
that has been proven to cool the planet: volcanic eruptions. Volcanoes release
sulphur which turns into sulphate aerosol at high altitudes. These aerosols
have been shown to reflect sunlight, almost like a sunscreen. But sulphur is
also known to deplete ozone, a gas which helps protect the planet by filtering
sunlight as part of the ozone layer, which makes the technology risky.
Scientists want to experiment with different reflective substances like calcium
carbonate (found in limestone) or even diamond dust to find the safest
option.There are known risks.For instance, a study published last week in the
journal Nature used computer models to investigate how sulphur dioxide
injections would impact hurricanes in the North Atlantic. The research shows
injecting it into only the Northern hemisphere would reduce hurricanes in the
North Atlantic. However, if it was injected only in the Southern hemisphere,
the sulphur dioxide would increase the number of hurricanes.The takeaway from
this and previous studies was that solar geo-engineering, if used evenly across
the planet, could reduce the impact of global warming, and if it isn’t used
evenly, it could be risky. However, no one in the solar geo-engineering
community is advocating for it to be deployed unevenly, according to Anthony
Jones of the University of Exeter in the U.K. The scientific community is first
asking for world leaders to reduce GHG emissions, and if that is not
successful, they want solar geo-engineering to be properly researched and
regulated so if it is eventually used in the fight against climate change,
officials will be able to weigh the potential risks and rewards.As for
chemtrail conspiracy theorists, Wagner says all scientists and journalists can
do is present the facts and hope they win out in the end.Cover: Maia
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