Naturally you added all this info in to OSM right? :-P
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site
On 25 Jun 2008, at 12:12, Anselm Hook wrote:
> Mapmaker seems helpful but not a solution for the problem of finding
> out enough information about what one needs nearby; even if and when
> it extends to places where most of us live.
>
> Base layer data aside - I just don't see how it could become the
> comprehensive repository of place information. How is any silo
> going to ever be able to answer a broad swath of the kinds of
> questions that we have of it? Real solutions have to straddle many
> data sources - mapmaker, openstreetmaps, trails.com, flickr,
> fireeagle, ranger stations, gps add on packs whatever...
>
> I was reminded of this last week when I drove from Portland to San
> Fran to Portland. I wanted to camp rather than staying at hotels
> and I tried to search for campsites as I was visiting each area that
> I considered camping in. My experience I think are typical of what
> happens to most people when they are searching for something and I
> think it shows that work remains:
>
> 1) On the way down we stopped near Crescent City and tried to find a
> campsite by using the web - nothing seemed to pop up that was clear
> and trustworthy. However by pure chance I found a brochure at the
> closed Ranger Station that did have a little camping icon for a
> place called Nickel Beach, and this turned out to be just great;
> free, allowing fires, a short hike at sunset on a bluff over the
> pacific ocean - it was great - although I didn't find it via the web.
>
> 2) On the way back I tried to camp near Grants Pass but could not
> find anything that I trusted even after searching the web for an
> hour and driving around and so stayed at a hotel. The next morning
> I found an outdoors weekly newspaper that did have a map of camping
> sites in it - unfortunately a bit too late to be useful.
>
> I must admit, just now , trying to search for 'campground' using
> wikimapia - does work:
>
> http://wikimapia.org/
> #lat=41.7067538&lon=-124.1209602&z=13&l=0&m=a&v=2
>
> But note how Google Maps fails to reveal the non-commercial option:
>
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=campground&near=Crescent+City,+CA&fb=1&view=text&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=1&ct=more-results&cd=1
>
> Trails.com is totally useless here - although it does list several
> other good choices... and anyway it is behind a 'please pay me wall'
> that makes it unacceptable for general use.
>
>
> http://www.trails.com/advancedfind.asp?GeoSearch=1&lat=41.621564&lon=-124.115388&Distance=20&Activities=CP&area=14071
>
> Other sites do list campgrounds but since there is no map they are
> totally useless. I just can't go and try search for every
> possibility to find where it is so those possibilities become
> unusable:
>
> http://www.redwood.national-park.com/camping.htm#bc
>
> So my feeling is that if my searches are typical, then we all still
> have a ways to go... and Mapmaker seems like a part of the
> ecosystem but not a panacea for my needs at least... the solution
> seems to be some kind of better indexing with more precise location
> information, more trust in some way...
>
> - anselm
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Ian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> finally, a topic worth discussing! if you want to see what the
> future of a goog wiki-map world, india could be a good place to
> look--sure, they've provided a valuable service in creating a base
> map, but at what cost? anybody know if participants were paid or
> volunteer? given GPS devices or loaners? any chance the underlying
> map data will be released? if i were google, i sure as hell wouldn't
> make it available to anybody else--damn smart and cheap way to get a
> 'good enough' base map. i'm sure g recognizes that their 'go it
> alone approach in a user-contributed world' ain't going to give them
> NVT/TA quality data (love it or not, it is high quality) today, but
> over time it's something that google may find it doesn't have to pay
> any licensing fees for (not that NVT/TA derive much $$$ from the
> interwebs--it's under 5% of their business). But...as g begins to
> move more into different platforms (android, in car nav (don't
> forget the VW deal), and direct acquisition of sat imagery (d!
> on't forget this one: http://mashable.com/2007/07/21/google-image-america/)
> , all your fears/hopes/dreams may come true!
>
>
>
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> ________________________________________
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ] On Behalf Of James Fee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:43 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Geowanking] MapMaker
>
> Why? To cut out the providers and control the data for themselves.
> Who
> wants to deal with NAVTEQ or others when they can just pay interns to
> drive cars around cities of the world and take pictures/GPS or get
> Google fan boys to update their maps for free?
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Landon Blake
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:38 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Geowanking] MapMaker
>
> Good point Kevin. In that case, Google's motive does seem a little
> more
> suspect, doesn't it?
>
> Why would anyone map Bermuda for Google if it was already mapped?
>
> Landon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Mayall
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:04 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Geowanking] MapMaker
>
> Let's not assume that the countries listed in Google Map Maker are
> "unmapped regions of the world". Bermuda and Cayman, for example, are
> very well mapped. Google just doesn't own any data for them.
>
> Kevin (in Bermuda)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Landon Blake
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:37 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Geowanking] MapMaker
>
> I just checked out the Google Map Maker web application this
> morning. I
> was pretty impressed with the simple interface.
>
> I've always admired the way Google can tackle a problem and design a
> slick solution. I don't know how I'd live without my G-Mail.
>
> Still, there terms of use really bites the big one. Seems to me like
> these terms would be a deal killer for a lot of volunteer mappers. (I
> sure won't be adding to there database. Why do that when you can
> contribute to Open Street Map?)
>
> It seems like Google is ignoring a principle that can be drawn from
> open
> source software development: absolute control chokes voluntary
> contributions.
>
> I do, however, think that mapping unknown regions of the world will
> only
> benefit society as a whole. If the data is publicly accessible, but
> Google makes a dime, is that a horrible thing? They might end up
> mapping
> something that would have never been mapped otherwise.
>
> Imagine what Google could have accomplished if it had worked with an
> organization like OSM to map unmapped regions of the world. It's too
> bad
> they were so short-sighted in this respect.
>
> The Sunburned Surveyor
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SteveC
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:51 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Geowanking] MapMaker
>
> What no mention of GMM on geowanking yet? And I was looking forward to
> the disucssion!
>
> http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=307
>
> Best
>
> Steve
>
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