Hi,

I'm sorry, not related to the question as such but I have a hard time seeing how concerns about indigenous rights and knowledge qualifies as "far left". Not that it's ever been "far left, but it's become very mainstream within environmentalism in the last couple decades.

But yes, it is important to note that the critique of technocratic environmentalism comes from the broad left as well.

Thanks,

JP


Le 19-11-27 à 12 h 20, DG Webster a écrit :
In most cases it is a matter of degree. Not whether we should curb pollution or conserve resources, but how much and for whom. Scientists are usually accused of putting too much emphasis on environmental conservation while ignoring economic costs. Yes, it's good to reduce nutrient pollution, but if that means people will pay more for groceries, how do we balance that tradeoff? Of course, conservatives go too far in the other direction, arguing that markets provide the best solution even when they are imperfect and incomplete. Also, folks on the far left note that technocratic environmental policy often leaves out the concerns and knowledge of indigenous people and other minorities.

best,
dgwebster

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 7:17 AM Kevin Olsen <ols...@montclair.edu <mailto:ols...@montclair.edu>> wrote:

    I am working on my spring semester lesson plans for classes on Law
    and
    Policy.

    I am looking for a good example of a concept that will be presented.

    One of the objections that intelligent conservatives make to our
    current
    system of environmental laws (at least in the United States) is
    that it
    does not balance technical expertise and democratic accountability.
    They argue that only trained technocrats with specialized
    knowledge are
    qualified to write regulations but everyone in a democracy must
    have the
    right to participate in the process.

    Of course when a new regulation is proposed, there is a comment
    period
    and the agency proposing the regulation makes every effort to engage
    stakeholders.  The intelligent conservative often believes that these
    measures are not sufficient, hence the objections.

    So, can anyone suggest a situation where technocratic expertise and
    democratic accountability have been in a legitimate conflict?

    The conservatives will argue that there are plenty of examples of
    regulatory over reach.

        Compact fluorescent light bulbs?  They save 75% of the
    electricity
    used for lighting

        Can't drive my car on the beach anymore?  Nesting seabirds are an
    important part of the ecosystem

        Can't build my new house within 300 feet of a creek?  Ever
    hear of
    runoff pollution?


    Every example I try to find for my lesson plans seems to suggest that
    There Is No Such Thing As Regulatory Over Reach.....or perhaps it
    would
    be politically neutral to say that the vast majority regulations are
    promulgated for very good reasons.  And furthermore, the agency
    proposing the regulation has had its power conferred by the
    legislative
    branch.

    There must be a good example where an environmental regulation has
    come
    into a legitimate conflict with the democratic process.

    Full disclosure, I am of course a tree-hugging, Union Dues paying
    lifelong Democrat.  (Maybe that is why I am struggling with this
    question)

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    Thank you,

    Kevin


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