Bill Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

>From: "Julian and Jackie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To
>> Deb Rebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>>
>> >This may all be in good fun, but isn't this the sort of thing that's
>> >killing this list?  Along with a wideband on 'what do you like most
>> >about the GML list' just clogs more email boxes.
>> >
>> >Perhaps we need to split the list; form another one for Gerbil
>> >SOCIAL Mailing List; where one can post things like updates;
>> >I just got a new gerbil and I need help naming it; and 'come
>> >see my new website and all my pictures' stuff?
>> >
>>
>> I have been trying to resist posting this myself for some time.
>
>***  Please clarify, Julian.  Which of Deb's points were you going to post
>about?
>

Sorry, that is what comes of posting without visual aids (-4.75 plus
astigmatism makes seeing anything on screen a challenge) whilst having
just woken up from several days of sleep deprivation.

>I'll assume it is about waste of bandwidth and email clutter.  You both
>are right.  Paige and I were doing something silly  --  how can you
>pronounce "GGMLEs".

Nope. That is the sort of fun I like to see now and again on the GML.

My post was about the need for more than one list. It is something that
has engaged me for some months.

>
>Paige  --  How about posting your pronunciation message in SocialGML to
>start discussion there for pure fun?

So for fun I have to subscribe to a second list? I don't really want to
do that. If GML stops being fun I might stop calling here at all.

>
>Moral:  There is no way to encourage social interaction in GML and also to
>curb it.  I used to write humor (??) for GML because it was what I could
>do in exchange for all the help you gave me.  Then I noticed that I was
>helping to clog GML and experts already were over-burdened.  So I stopped
>doing my nonsense, partly also so as not to encourage others.  More
>entertaining writers than I now can post to SocialGML without guilt.

That is why I suggested keeping GML as it is but encouraging more
serious stuff to be copied to another list also.

That way people who want fun don't have to move elsewhere.

I solve administrative problems professionally, and seem to be
considered quite good at it. I learned along time ago that people will
not normally do anything unless it is fun. If you make sure there is no
fun people will either not do it, or will try and find a way of making
it fun. People will do things that are not fun if they get a reward.

That is why I was suggesting a GML as it is, and a place to cross post
serious questions so that they get a serious response.


>
>Deb Rebel already is working on Charter/Guidelines for SocialGML.  One
>rule should be:  NO cross-posting between GML and SocialGML.  We do need
>to find a way to move discussions between the two.  Any ideas, Julian?

See above!
>>
>
>******  Absolutely agreed.  But your suggestions are only about how to
>deal with questions.

But the solutions have not been discussed. I know that solutions reached
with consensus will work 90% of the time. Solutions that are imposed
work about 15% of the time.



--
Julian

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