Hi, the picture that I received made him look awfully dark, almost a nutmeg, and a "aa". The one we are discussing is a A*, if I understand correctly. I have a gerbil that is a nutmeg that looks exactly like your guy, if the pic is correct. He has a dusting of black all over his body, and his base color is a light honey color. He shimmers. I think he is prettier than the Silver Nutmegs that I have and much, much prettier than the polar foxes! Just my opinion. If you can do a mind picture of a DEH with spotting (that would have a lightening effect on the base Honey color), and an "ef" gene that further lightens it (see the picture referenced in her first post of a DEH w/ef gene), AND a "ch" or "cb" that lightens it even further, AND couple it with "pp", you get the picture! The way a chch w/pp can turn any other configuration into a PEW, all these other genomes in combination are modifying the DEH, alittle at a time. The way a pp makes a LCP a white gerbil (see archives of effect of pp on LCP). . . The proposed Honey cream is basically an off-white gerbil with a streak of light honey down its center. As an aside, I have always been amused by the moniker "red-eyed DEH" since it seems to be an oxymoron. . . Namaste. ynthia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/