I second this! Weston
On Wednesday 13 August 2003 04:49 pm, Labeeb Syed wrote: > The primary issue I am concerned with is J2EE > compliance. The Deploy component should be able to > delegate certain methods to the Verifier component > without a change in its own behavior. If we worry > about the deployment manager later, it will be a lot > more troublesome and cause some major confusion in > terms of behaviour and responsibilty of the various > methods. Do you guys think we can get by and address > such issues later on? > Secondly, there seems there will be an inherent > overlapping of responsibilities within the components. > I have run into such issues before and would like to > avoid it altogether if possible. Sometimes you end up > re-coding and re-designing the whole component. Also > in the future someone else might be going through the > code, it may make it more difficult to enhance, test > or debug the components. If we strictly adhere to the > spec, it will ensure better maintainability and > longevity. This my opinion in regards to the two > components. > > --- Chris Opacki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It doesn't matter that much to me. I think we can > > get > > by with them separately. What does everyone else > > think? > > > > --- Jonathan Duty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Do you want the DDBeans to be part of this module? > > > ~Jonathan > > > > > > Jonathan Duty > > > Software Developer - eWashtenaw > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Chris Opacki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:59 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: J2EE DeploymentManager ( was J2EE > > > deployment verifier) > > > > > > I would like to start implementing the DDBeans > > > > from > > > > > JSR-88. I will start a new thread for JSR-88. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Srihari S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > cool...so what are we waiting for!!!! > > > > lets get started with the requirements/design of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > verifier.. > > > > any ideas on the way of working for these > > > > phases.. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jonathan Duty > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:14 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: RE: J2EE DeploymentManager ( was J2EE > > > > deployment verifier) > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. The verification engine really doesn't > > > > need to implement the > > > > deployment specs. Later when we implement the > > > > DeploymentManager in > > > > front of it that's when we will have to worry > > > > > > about > > > > > > > implementing the > > > > exact interfaces. > > > > > > > > ~Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Duty > > > > Software Developer - eWashtenaw > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Weston M. Price > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:48 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: J2EE DeploymentManager ( was J2EE > > > > deployment verifier) > > > > > > > > I agree with Srihari in that the Verification > > > > manager does not have to > > > > implement the spec interfaces, however, the > > > > DeploymentManager does, this > > > > > > > > would be where we would implment DDRoot, > > > > DDConfig > > > > > > etc.....in some ways > > > > the > > > > DeploymentManager would just use the services of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > VerificatinoEngine > > > > as > > > > one step in the process of actual deployment. > > > > > > > > Is this in line with what you guys were > > > > thinking? > > > > > > On Wednesday 13 August 2003 01:52 pm, Jonathan > > > > > > Duty > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > When we implement this module, we could > > > > actually > > > > > > implement it to > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > follow the API specs (JSR 88). That means > > > > > > > > implementing the > > > > > > > > > DeploymentManager interface on top of it and > > > > > > such. > > > > > > > That way any > > > > > > > > > application (ant, Eclipse, etc) that is > > > > equipped > > > > > > to deploy packages > > > > > > > > > could interface with it. It would just fall > > > > > > short > > > > > > > of actually > > > > > > > > > communicating with MBeans and deploying the > > > > > > > > package. > > > > > > > > > When this module is used internally (within > > > > the > > > > > > REAL deployment > > > > manager) > > > > > > > > > it could just bypass or override the > > > > > > > > Verification's Deployment > > > > manager. > > > > > > > > > ~Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Srihari S > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:43 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: J2EE DeploymentManager ( was J2EE > > > > > > > > deployment verifier) > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > When I was going thru the deployment api > > > > spec > > > > > I > > > > > > > thought it would be > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > to bring up some points: > > > > > > > > > > From a preliminary reading of the spec i saw > > > > > > there > > > > > > > are no apis > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > designed to do the verification > > > > > of a deployable unit. From this I infer that > > > > the > > > > > > verifier can be an > > > > > > > > > internal > > > > > module which could be used > > > > > by the deploy tool. So we could go full steam > > > > on > > > > > > its design and > > > > > > > > > implementation. In this regard I am trying to > > > > > jot the list of checks that our verifier will > > > > > > have > > > > > > > to do (This is > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > in the j2ee specs). > > > > > So in a way it will be equivalent to arriving > > > > at > > > > > > requirement specs for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > verifier. > > > > > With the list of dos and donts that a verifier > > > > > > has > > > > > > > to achieve we could > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > abt with design.Also the design of > > > > > ant hooks can be taken care.Can we?? > > > > > > > > > > Next is something abt the big picture. > > > > Certainly > > > > > > the verifer is a > > > > small > > > > > > > > > part > > > > > of the deployment process. > > > > > But to achieve compliance we will have to > > > > > > > > implement the deployment > > > > spec > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > whole. Has anyone given > > > > > thought to this issue? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Weston M. Price > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:33 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: J2EE DeploymentManager ( was J2EE > > > > > > > > deployment verifier) > > > > > > > > > No, I think splitting them up would be > > > > good.... > > > > > > > Weston > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
