Re 1: I think it is quite a tall order to require a concrete example of copyright infringement.
I don't see how 2 & 3 are related to my messages in this thread. I did not mention morality nor did I assume no laws were written as jokes or out of spite. If you think I did, please explain your reasoning more clearly and point to specific parts of my responses. Also, if the law is really so complex, contradictory, and sometimes written or enforced as a joke or out of spite, shouldn't we be extra careful to avoid even a tiny risk of being sued? On 9/1/26 21:25, Carter Schonwald via ghc-devs 'ghc-devs at haskell.org' wrote: > 1) i want haskell native examples of the actual worrys, not abstract ones > > 2) people have literally written enforced laws as a joke or spite, please do > some supplementary reading to ground your conjecture in legal writings, even > from wikipedia > > 3) morals and law are not the same. llms do conflate thise all the time. i > totally beleive you have better moral values thanapplicable law, but thats > not > law. > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2026 at 2:37 PM <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > It's true that sometimes there is only one way to implement something and > I > know copyright does not cover such cases. However, I think that is quite > rare > in software development, especially once we start looking at combinations > of > two or three functions. > > > and fortunately literally here means verbatim > > > > naively these two remarks sound contradictory, but its really a > reflection of > > the anthropogenic complexity of humanity > > I remain utterly confused about what you mean with “literally” and > “verbatim”, > and thus unconvinced by your arguments. Like, are you saying that > renaming all > variables and functions and changing all for-loops to while-loops (using > C for > this example) is a valid way to avoid copyright infringement because it > is no > longer a literal or verbatim copy? I refuse to believe that. > > On 9/1/26 20:12, Carter Schonwald via ghc-devs 'ghc-devs at haskell.org > <http://haskell.org>' wrote: > > yes, because code is math, and sometimes theres only one proof, and > copyright > > doesnt protect factual stuff just the ultra soecific exact sentence > (except > > when its literally the only sane way to say soemthing). > > > > there is a huge amount of law / case law / history for how this works, > and > > fortunately literally here means verbatim > > > > naively these two remarks sound contradictory, but its really a > reflection of > > the anthropogenic complexity of humanity > > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2026 at 1:56 PM <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > wrote: > > > > If you define “exact literal content” so broadly as to allow for > translations > > of prose, why wouldn't it also apply to translating software to > different > > languages or using different naming conventions and other minor > code > style > > elements? > > > > On 9/1/26 19:50, Carter Schonwald 'carter.schonwald at gmail.com > <http://gmail.com> <http:// > > gmail.com <http://gmail.com>>' wrote: > > > translations are explicitly reusing the exact literal content, > and theres > > > explicitly carve outs in modern law around translated works > > > > > > > > > math and food recipes are explicitly not protected by copyright > law. > > > > > > i hope that helps clarify? > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2026 at 1:41 PM <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > building dimilar code for a similar task in a > > > > different language is definitely not infringing unless > its also > > copying > > > all > > > > the text from the source application like some sort of > text rpg. > > > What if we compare this to literature? Surely a translation > of a > > book into > > > another language is still considered a derivative work, even > if it > > reuses none > > > of the “literal text”. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ ghc-devs mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
