On 2019-12-29 11:51, Stéphane Magnenat wrote:
On 28.12.19 17:35, dr...@winterdryad.co.uk wrote:
Regarding bars, what do you mean proportional? Currently a bar of
length N represents N * k elements, with k being proportional to the
width, respectively the height of the bar for vertical, respectively
horizontal bars.

http://www.winterdryad.co.uk/bars.png

I mean something like this. What do you think?
Personally I prefer having bars at different locations to denote
different statistics (bottom: HP, left: food capacity/current, top:
unit assigned/working, right: unit capacity/inside), but I would be
curious what others would think. Anyone has opinion on that?
Problem is, this system is also not really scalable. What if we need a fifth bar? A beautiful solution would be to add the capacity as a graphic element that is different for each building BUT you would need to change the graphic every time you modify the stats. That would be a mess. It creates a dependency that is not really needed. It also feels a little boxed to have all sides occupied. What do you think?

I have just used random colors for the bars, but the idea is to keep them closer together and having a width that is proportional to the element's one. This way it scales smoothly, because in the end we don't have many different "sizes". Just multiples of 32 if I remember correctly.

I am not sure I understand what you mean by "having a width that is
proportional to the element's one". Somewhat several statistics, such
as number of units assigned/working, are precise at one unit and it
somewhat matters for the player to see that.

But maybe there is a design that allows to have bars more together, if
we think it is better, and still have this precision?

Problem is, as long as it is up to 4 your eyes can actually differentiate the number, but, can you differentiate 2 pixel dots between 7 and 8 on a straight line? I cannot really tell at a glance if there are 7 or 8 dots on top of the buildings, but I can say there are 5 on the right, bottom is full (even if I cannot say how many are there) and left is almost full. Fact is sometimes you need precision (you are right on the capacity), sometimes you need an overview. If I see a set of buildings on the map, I need to see which one of them has or not units assigned to, but I don't really care if it has 123 or 124 HP on 200. It is important to see that "hey, it has already lost almost half of its hp, let's repair it!". And you don't really want to select each building to read the single stats.
Why not going for precise stats top and overview stats bot?

By proportional I mean:
 Unit occupied space: 1 square
 pixels per space: 32x32
full health bar length: 24 pixels (4 pixels from left, 4 pixels from bottom)

 Unit occupied space: 2 square
 pixels per space: 64x64
full health bar length: 48 pixels (8 pixels from left, 8 pixels from bottom)

 Unit occupied space: 3 square
 pixels per space: 96x96
full health bar length: 72 pixels (12 pixels from left, 12 pixels from bottom)

 Unit occupied space: 2 square
 pixels per space: 128x128
full health bar length: 96 pixels (16 pixels from left, 16 pixels from bottom)

It should scale pretty nicely. It is independent from gameplay, since you can set the health (or any other arbitrary length value) of a unit to 1200 without covering other units.

I was also thinking at some very nice animation that can be adapted to every building to differentiate between working ones and idle ones.

You mean whether the building is currently doing something, such as
training unit? It seems cool indeed!

yes, that is what I was thinking. It doesn't have to be complex, but just to understand if something is idle or not.

cheers,

Stéphane

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