The MODTRAN web user interface allows you to see radiative fluxes
given a temperature profile. The temperatures are an input, not an
output.

No one denies that the atmosphere becomes opaque at absorption bands
as the absorbing constituent increases. In the tool exposed on the
web, though, and in MODTRAN standing alone, the feedback to
temperature is absent. So it doesn't answer the question.

Once again, Bill, you are (at best) assuming you understand things you don't.

about the project:

I can take no credit for this project. (Remarkably, David's young son
Jeremy did the web interface, I think at the age of 12, building on
some work of David's to simplify setting up the runs for his undergrad
classes.)

MODTRAN itself is a product of the USAF, the result of many years of
professional effort, though. For some reason some patents apply, which
I find not especially satisfactpry as a taxpayer, but taht's a bit
beside the point.

about Venus:

Here is an interesting commentary from
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/04/lessons-from-venus/
by Ray Pierrehumbert

(response to comment 10)

===>
logarithmic behavior of CO2 in Earth's atmosphere only applies over a
limited (but rather extensive) range of concentrations. At very low
concentrations (say, around 1 ppm) bands are unsaturated and OLR
becomes more sensitive to CO2 than in the logarithmic range. At
sufficiently high concentrations (say, when you start to get around
10% or 20% of CO2 in the atmosphere) the absorption starts to be
dominated by weak bands that have a different probability distribution
than the bands that dominate in the present climate; this again starts
to lead to an increase in sensitivity. Radiative transfer is
complicated because of the complex line structure of greenhouse gases,
but for a long time I have been looking for a simple, accessible
explanation of the typical logarithmic behavior. I'm writing that
section of my climate book now (check Chapter 4 of  The Climate Book
in a few months). As far as I can tell, the simplest way to put it is
like this: CO2 opacity for the present Earth is dominated by the 15
micron band group. The envelope of the absorption strength in this
group tails off roughly exponentially from the center of the group,
once the lines are broad enough to overlap significantly within each
sub-band of the interval, and the resulting probability distribution
of absorption can be shown to give rise to the logarithmic behavior.
However, the exponential envelope is only approximate, and only
extends a certain distance out from 15 microns, so once you put in
enough CO2 you get out of the logarithmic range. Hence the answer to
your question, roughly, is that it depends both on
pressure/temperature broadening and on CO2 concentration. To get a
logarithmic behavior, you need enough pressure or temperature to make
the lines broad enough to start overlapping, but if you put in too
much CO2, you make the overall width of the principal absorption
region (that's not the line width!) wide enough that you get out into
a different shape of envelope, and lose the logarithmic behavior.
<===

Of course, the main article and many of the other commentaries are
very interesting.

mt

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