On 3/11/2011 9:32 PM, James Starlight wrote:
Mark,

Firstly I've downloaded Berger's dppc.itp and dppc.gro ( I've already have had gromos lipid ff)

than I made pdb file for just 1 molecule of the dppc lipid consisted of 50 atoms and generate for that new molecule lipid_posres.itp via pdb2gmx

than I've included lipid_posre.itp to the dppc.itp at the end of file where the reference for the posres_lipid was already existed as POSRES_LIPID.

Your free use of "lipid_posres.itp", "lipid_posre.itp" and "posres_lipid" in your sentences above make it seem like you might not have been using a file name that matches your #include.


I've included in the minim.mdp
define= - DPOSRES_LIPID

There's an extra space in that line. There's a reason people want to see actual input and output and contents of files. Stuff filtered through your head is stuff that you might have made an extra mistake with.


than I've minimized my bilayer dppc.gro and checked by VMD if the bilayer was perturbed after simulation

So althought posres were included in the minim.pdb the bilayer was perturbed ( tails of lipids were less ordered in comprison to the initial bilayer )

Sounds like Andreas has the right idea.


Why posres didnt work?

Position restraints aren't magic - they're only applied to specific atoms. You need to choose which. The genrestr GROMACS tool may be your friend here.

Mark




2011/11/2 Mark Abraham <mark.abra...@anu.edu.au <mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au>>

    On 02/11/11, *James Starlight *<jmsstarli...@gmail.com
    <mailto:jmsstarli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
    Justin, Mark,

    Ok
    not I've included posre only to the lipid.itp wich consist of
    parameters for just 1 lipid

    #ifdef POSRES_LIPID
    #include "posre_lipid.itp"
    #endif

    to the minim.mdp I've included
    define        = -DPOSRES_LIPID    ; position restrain the lipids

    As the result I have not obtained any error in grompp but after
    minimization my lipid bilayer was perturbed. I've used very
    strong posres. Why it have not worked ?
    We can't know, because we don't know what's in any files, nor why
    you think the bilayer was perturbed. If you would like useful
    help, you need to be exhaustive in your description of what you
    have done, what you have observed and what you think about those.
    It is easier for people who might volunteer free help to do
    something else with their time than to ask follow-up questions
    when few details were given originally.
    Mark


    2011/10/31 Justin A. Lemkul <jalem...@vt.edu
    <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>



        James Starlight wrote:

            I've done all of that
            i have "posre_lipid.itp" - for 1 lipid ( posres for each
            of 50 atoms )


            I've included this in the topology of the bilayer

            ; Include chain topologies
            #include "gromos53a6_lipid.ff/forcefield.itp"
            #include "dppc.itp"

            ; Include water topology
            #include "gromos53a6_lipid.ff/spc.itp"

            ; Include ion topologies
            #include "gromos53a6_lipid.ff/ions.itp"

            #ifdef POSRES_LIPID
            #include "posre_lipid.itp"
            #endif

            ; System specifications
            [ system ]
            128-Lipid DMPC Bilayer in water

            [ molecules ]
            ; molecule name nr.
            DPPC 64
            SOL              1193
            SOL               690


            Also I've tried to make posre for whole system ( large
            posres ) but it also was finished with same error

            Fatal error:
            [ file posre_lipid.itp, line 6 ]:
            Atom index (2) in position_restraints out of bounds (1-1).
            This probably means that you have inserted topology
            section "position_restraints"
            in a part belonging to a different molecule than you
            intended to.
            In that case move the "position_restraints" section to
            the right molecule.
            For more information and tips for troubleshooting, please
            check the GROMACS
            website at http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors

            What's most true for such multy system. Generate posre
            only for 1 part or for whole system?


        Position restraints can only be applied on a [moleculetype]
        basis.  Thus, order matters a lot, and the whole system
        cannot be restrained in one file.  See the example here:

        
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors#Atom_index_n_in_position_restraints_out_of_bounds

        As it stands now, the topology you've shown tries to apply
        lipid position restraints after the ions have been #included,
        which makes no sense at all.


        -Justin

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