I've been trying to resist leaving the list, as it's useful to see how the progress is going, but I have to agree with Kevin, the list is mostly full of _noise_, of which a very small percentage is actually useful to moving Gobuntu forward (In my honest opinion).
I will not be adding any more to this line of discussion (honestly). Thanks, Chris. On 16/10/2007, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to say that I disagree with Mark almost 100%. Yes, it's a > -devel list, but frankly the idea of "You can only help the distro if > you submit patches" is kind of stupid, I think. Once again it proves > why I consider gNewSense to be a superior system - you've got people > who have the programming skill of a poddle checking the copyrights, > raising bugs and making gNewSense more freedom respecting. > > Old school Debian, which Mark is familiar with, put a lot of emphasis > on "Developers" (which is what -devel) means. It wasn't until the > recent Project Leaders did "Developer" mean "Art Team" and > "Documentation Team". > > Development is influencing the direction of the project and in that > regard Mark is wrong when he believes that those discussion are out of > place on the -devel list. > > That said, I've already left the Gobuntu-devel list because of those > eternal flamewars on patents. :P > > On 10/16/07, Chris Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Justin, > > > > Thanks for those words. With regard to PFV being a bottleneck, I'm > > not suggesting that things can't move forward without us getting > > everything checked, I'm just saying that unless we have a distro that > > has checked software, then the best we can say is _Well it's sort of > > free_. > > > > What I mean is that it would be silly to rush out another release, > > without having a good go at the PFV stuff. Developer time as you > > correctly stated, is a commodity. > > > > From a personal perspective, I'd like gNS to be released regularly, > > because I like new (but stable) software, as much as anyone. Lee and > > I are doing the best we can to progress the PFV work, and we have a > > good following that are pushing forward. gNS is in good shape at the > > moment, and we seem a happy bunch. That's good :-). > > > > I won't say any more on this, otherwise the list will end up like Gobuntu's. > > > > Bottom-line: Keep-up the good work, everyone. We are heading in the > > right direction, and seem to have some firm guidelines to work to. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Chris. > > > > On 16/10/2007, Justin Baugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Folks, this is a -devel list, primarily for discussion of work that > > > > people > > > > are actually doing on Gobuntu. Most of the traffic so far as been "what > > > > we > > > > want from Gobuntu" not "what we will put into Gobuntu". Please don't use > > > > this list as a forum for demands about your ideal platform - use it to > > > > discuss the work you are willing to put into bringing Gobuntu more into > > > > line with that ideal. > > > > Gobuntu exists as a forum for action - it will only be as good as the > > > > effort that goes into it. Colin, Evan, Daniel Holbach and others will > > > > help > > > > anyone who wants to put time and effort into Gobuntu achieve that goal. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > EXCUSE ME?! > > > > > > > > Is he saying that, of all the feedback and ideas on how to make Gobuntu > > > > more free he is acturaly telling us to basicaly shut up?! > > > > > > You missed his point entirely. > > > > > > What Shuttleworth is saying is that much like on this mailing list, there > > > are lots of people occasionally clamoring for a feature or something they > > > want - but want someone else to do it for them. Very rarely on this list > > > (*please* correct me if I am wrong) do you see someone propose a feature > > > that they actually implement themselves. PFV is the only exception of > > > something that lots of people are helping with (btw Chris, as a sidenote, > > > I disagree entirely that the bottleneck for having a updated gNS release > > > is PFV. It would seem to be instead exclusively related to available > > > developer time). > > > > > > He's basically saying that people making endless requests is unhelpful. > > > And you know what? He's right. It's far more helpful for someone to > > > discuss what work they can actually do to achieve a goal rather than to > > > just clamor for the goal over and over again. He's not telling people to > > > shut up - rather, to put up. gNS should illustrate that making a totally > > > free OS is not an easy task, and not to be taken lightly. Action is worth > > > ten thousand words. > > > > > > I don't think his response is so horrible, personally. I'm more than happy > > > to entertain a discussion of why it is, however. > > > > > > -Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gNewSense-users mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users > > > > > > > > > -- > > Reasons why you may want to try GNU/Linux: > > > > http://www.getgnulinux.org/ > > > > A great GNU/Linux distro: > > > > http://wiki.gnewsense.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gNewSense-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users > > > -- Reasons why you may want to try GNU/Linux: http://www.getgnulinux.org/ A great GNU/Linux distro: http://wiki.gnewsense.org/ _______________________________________________ gNewSense-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users
