hi, David Bain schrieb: > @Murray, > I know that you've been actively involved with this for a good while, so > I can imagine your concerns are based on experience. It seems that we > have a window of opportunity with some new persons actively making some > valuable contributions. > > Can you make any suggestions, based on your experience, as to how we can > ensure that we minimize the chaos?
Use a tool like moap [1]. This helps to commit subsets and comment the changes. You'll get a maintained ChangeLog for free as well. Stefan [1] https://thomas.apestaart.org/moap/trac > > One implied suggestion from your most recent comment is "write verbose > commit messages and remember to make changelog entries". I'm sure there > are others. > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 06:15 +0100, Carsten Senger wrote: > > Hi Murray, > > > > for more than a year I read this list. I contributed small things > during > > the decision process but had no time to do work on gnomeweb-plone. > > > > There are results of the sprint during ploneconf and Jonathan > worked on > > wgo.theme since then, so I see a chance that the development comes to > > speed. Putting the buildout into the collective on svn.plone.org > <http://svn.plone.org> is one > > of the things that make it much easier to get contributions out of the > > plone community. People like me are used to it. > > However, every commit that is made with an awful commit mesasge and no > ChangeLog entry just increases my fear that this will never become less > chaotic: > > > make with > > > > So I tried to get involved today and find tasks that are usefull now, > > but that's really hard. The wiki and bugzilla are really outdated and > > there is no such thing like a gnomeweb-plone-team. I try to talk > to the > > people that sprinted in washington in the next days. > > > > To get a better overview and make it easier for others to start I plan > > to do the following things in the next days: > > > > - I'll install a testsite on a public server and update it regulary. > > The easiest way is to install it on my server, but I can > install it to > > any server if you want to. The testsite will be up in 1 or 2 days. > > - Then I try to update and extend the tasklist > > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsSetup and do some more cleanup in > > the wiki. Many things there are outdated and that makes it > difficult > > to get started > > - Work on a repeatable way to fill new sites with conent and > > prepare content > > > > The testsite is basically plone with a basic visual theme. It does not > > hold the content that was in previews testsites. I try to fix that > step > > by step. Adapting Plone to the requirements of gnome.org > <http://gnome.org> will take a > > while. Hopefully we can get a handfull of regulary contributing plone > > developers. > > Whenever we have a working state with notable progress I will > update the > > testsite. > > > > We will see if gnomeweb-plone makes good progress in the next weeks. > > Setting other deadlines isn't possible in my opinion. > > > > > > Murray Cumming schrieb: > > > On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 19:59 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > >> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 18:00 -0700, Jonathan Wilde wrote: > > > > [...] > > >> > > >> Which of these are regressions compared to the Plone 2 version > that was > > >> running on a test site once? I realise that you'll have to > guess the > > >> answer (based on your understanding of Plone 2 & 3) because you > probably > > >> never saw that site. > > > > It's a big regression. If I understand it correctly we refactor code > > from late 2007/early 2008. It misses much funktions, design and > content > > that I saw in testsites around late2006/early 2007. I also did not > find > > an repository with code from 2006/early 2007. If someone has that > code, > > it would be a great help. Also having a backup from an old testsite > > would help. > > > > There was activity around PloneSoftwareCenter (DOAP, scalability). > > PloneSoftwareCenter made substantial progress. I think most needed > > adjusments are included in upstream today. > > > > > > > In the meantime I tried to do a "buildout" of this new fork, > using the > > > instructions here: > > > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/PloneImplementation > > > (Using wgo.buildout-dev instead of wgo.buildout. I guess you renamed > > > that.) > > > > > > But when running the instance, and trying to look at it in a > browser, I > > > got this crash: > > > > > > > [EMAIL > PROTECTED]:~/checkouts/gnome224/gnomeweb-plone-fork2/wgo.buildout-dev$ > ./bin/instance fg > > > > > /home/murrayc/checkouts/gnome224/gnomeweb-plone-fork2/wgo.buildout-dev/parts/instance/bin/runzope > -X debug-mode=on > > > > [...] > > > > > end_element_ns > > > self._cont_handler.endElementNS(pair, None) > > > > This was a missing file and some other small things. Jonathan > fixed them > > today. > > > > > > >>> Here's my recommendations on how to finish up those tasks as > fast as > > >>> possible: > > >>> > > >>> 1. Create a publicly-visible task list of what needs to > get done. > > >>> We could use http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ or another hosted > > >>> service, such as Remember the Milk. > > >> There's no reason to use anything other than bugzilla.gnome.org > <http://bugzilla.gnome.org> or > > >> live.gnome.org <http://live.gnome.org>. > > > > That sounds good. > > > > >> > > >> We had already been using the "beta" version in the website > product in > > >> bugzilla, with the Plone 2 site. Most of those bugs are > probalby not > > >> worth worrying about until the Plone 3 site is up and running. > Again, > > >> nothing should distract from getting that running - please don't > > >> distract yourselves with attempts to add new features or > improvements. > > > > I will install a testsite within two days. But it's no continuation of > > the plone2-"beta". I did not find anything from a plone2-development > > that we could integrate. But maybe I'm missing something. > > > > > > ..Carsten > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-web-list mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > www.murrayc.com <http://www.murrayc.com> > www.openismus.com <http://www.openismus.com> > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-web-list mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-web-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list _______________________________________________ gnome-web-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list
