Welcome Bill, * bill-auger <[email protected]> [2021-04-11 17:59]: > im glad you took this discussion to the FSDG mailing list - this > is the appropriate venue to discuss such matters > > you should not single-out parabola though, WRT the telegram > clients - nearly every distro distributes telegram clients, > including trisquel, guix, and pureos - the purpose of this > work-group is to make decisions which affect all FSDG distros - > if this work-group concludes that some program is unfit, > parabola would remove it immediately, and the others should too > > before such a general consensus is reached, it is best to avoid > asking any one distro to remove some software, which the others > would still have, because the others were not included in the > conversation
It would be best, but I am using Parabola and not those others. I was surprised, and now getting more surprised to discover it is also in Guix, and you say in Trisquel and PureOS. And not only that, there are probably other similar software by the same principle, for example, purple-skyweb in Parabola. I can bet there are other such software. The essence of the problem is: - that we have FSF statements on surveillance, PRISM and decentralized Internet; - that such statements are not aligned with the FSDG; - that FSF endorsed distributions that propagate software that submit to surveillance, PRISM and centralized Internet And how many times? How many times did users download all that software? > also, there is no reason to single-out that one program - the > very same argument could be made for many programs, such as > 'hub' and 'weboob' - i think you could serve your own argument > better by generalizing it, and removing focus from any one > program or service Definitely, and I have already well defined myself. I hope you spot it better, I have been speaking of "client software that is freely licensed which sole purpose is to communicate to proprietary SaaSS, whereby users have not get freedom to install their own server side free softwar". Examples taken from Parabola are there because I have not get other distributions to analyze them, but if Hyperbola have already made good decisions, and Parabola follows, then others will join. Though best would be that FSF makes correction to FSDG guidelines. Here is one contradiction in Parabola: * kopete Repository : libre Version : 19.12.3-1.parabola1 Description : Instant Messenger, without nonfree Skype support Architecture : x86_64 URL : https://kde.org/applications/internet/kopete/ * bitlbee-libpurple Repository : pcr Version : 3.5.1-1 Description : Brings instant messaging (XMPP, MSN, Yahoo!, AIM, ICQ, Twitter) to IRC, without nonfree Skype support. libpurple enabled. We can see "without nonfree Skype support" but then we can see other packages: * purple-skypeweb Repository : community Version : 1.7-2 Description : SkypeWeb Plugin for Pidgin Architecture : x86_64 URL : https://github.com/EionRobb/skype4pidgin/tree/master/skypeweb -- this contradiction is because maybe SkypeWeb is considered to be "fine" or acceptable, because it is remote, but again I see here software which serves only purpose of the vendor, it does not serve purpose of freedom, as it is locked in to proprietary vendor's SaaSS, and user has no freedom to make it onself. Yes, software is free, but that is exactly and should not be the only ethical factor in decision making of inclusion of such software into FSF endorsed distribution. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
