Mark Holmquist wrote: > > Digital freedom has to do with the freedom to use > your own tools, things you own, any way you'd like.
Yes, we tend to focus on individual User Freedom and seem to assume that is all we can do. But the next stage in User Freedom will be to organize *groups* of Users to buy and co-own the Means of every product we use. For example, we do not co-own the ISPs and cell-phone networks we use, and so must accept the current owners arbitrarily shutting ports and sniffing packets and overcharging and generally dominating us because we do not co-own those physical assets. > What you're discussing here isn't about individual > freedoms You are right. I am talking about *group* freedoms, which are much more complicated, but worth the extra complexity because of the control and effeciency they offer. > it's about changing the economic system Well, it is about creating GNU corporations that are structured in this way, not about begging politicians to do anything differently. > We would technically own the MOP, but we wouldn't > then be free to go in and tinker We will tinker in groups. > going in and accidentally breaking the > dairy machines would be suboptimal. Yes, but each group could make that choice. If a group wanted to tinker with the machines they own, they could do so. Individuals within such a group might disagree, and so should voice their opinion (vote). This is a complicated matter, but is no different from any corporation that is co-owned by many individuals. > There would almost certainly be laws, or at least > rules, to prevent such things. Yes, each group would have their own specific rules that they decide upon as a group. > I mean, there might be some merit to these ideas, > but it's not something that the FSF necessarily > wants to promote. As far as I can tell, the FSF > tries to reach out to companies, saying that free > software is compatible with viable business models > that work in a capitalist society. Organizing Users to co-own the MOP in groups will solve most of the problems that the FSF complains about with regards to harware, such as "Defective By Design", complaints about the iPhone, Tivoization, etc. because we, as groups, will then co-own factories where we can manufacture hardware that respects our freedom. > And in general, as free software advocates, it's a > lot harder for us to fight for individual freedoms > *and* massive social change at the same time We can no longer stay in our caves while hoping the corporations will start playing nicely of their own volition. Regular corporations *cannot* do what the Users expect, because to do so would remove the barriers that keep price above cost; and since the investors in regular corporations expect that difference (called Profit) as the return for their investments, regular corporations are forever pitted against the users they pretend to want to serve. But when the Users invest to co-own corporations with Product as their ROI, then there is no conflict between Users and Owners - since they are one in the same, and there is no Profit (except when selling surplus), and so price and cost are identical since the Product is not even sold when it is already in the hands of those who need it. Sincerely, Patrick Anderson http://SocialSufficiencyCoalition.BlogSpot.com _______________________________________________ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
