> > Why is there a suggested move away from money? It's a useful way to keep > track of things. > What does money keep track of? Suggested reading:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Modern_Money_Mechanics.pdf wayne > > > First, we need to purchase the components to build the services we > provide to ourselves; > > Second, in order to connect with the wider existing network (initially, > anyway) we need some entry point into that network which is likely to be a > utility service provided by the extant capitalist system. > > > > But where does the money for interfacing in these ways come from? > According to one of your statements, in the VIPM services and products are > offered for the promise of future work. Yet such promises do not pay the > utility or component costs of operating an ISP...and that is -just- the > ISP. > > > > What about other vital services and products? Such as those related to > personal transportation; for instance, I ride bike everywhere I go and > bikes are not, any more than computer equipment, exempt from the laws of > entropy and will always on a long enough timeline require maintenance or > replacement. What about healthcare? It is fine to suggest that someone with > a degree in medicine -should- provide those services for the promise of > future repayment from patients, yet this kind of promise does not provide > any financial liability buffer against legal action involved in malpractice > disputes. Even IF you manage to construct an effective legal barrier > against such actions, what recourse is there for those who feel they have > been wronged by those providing healthcare? Does the legal barrier allow > any person claiming to have medical knowledge or experience practice > without qualification? > > > > Don't get me wrong; I am all about owning the means of production. I am > currently involved in an ongoing discussion with the owner of the company I > work for, trying to convince him to turn the company into a democratic, > worker-owned cooperative. I also donate time and money volunteering at my > local independent media center: by the end of the summer, we hope to be > hosting our own Diaspora server and community wiki. > > > > wayne > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Ramana Kumar <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> It seems like what you are describing is basically a cooperative (see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative). How do your proposals differ > from setting up a cooperative for, e.g., internet access, if they do? Would > cooperatives be a viable option for achieving our goals and our freedom? > >> > >> Also, what do you have to say about the normal way for people to own > for-profit companies, namely by buying shares? If we organised to own most > of an existing company this way could we not achieve our goals? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnu-misc-discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss > >> > > >
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