Regarding multi-bar rests, the solution to go for, is to take all other simultaneous music into account and move the rest symbol up or down to avoid collisions. A similar mechanism is already implemented for other "spanners" such as volta brackets and crescendi/diminuendi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Now that I sent you this example I might come back to a question I > raised a few days ago: Then I wondered why a definition sopran = > \context Voice = one wouldn't work, and you answered this definition > had to contain music. But in my example I use the definitions Sopran = > \contest Voice = eins \stemup and so forth and it works. \stemup is > defined as stemup = \property Voice.verticalDirection = \up > where up is equal to one. So I can't see any music there. Shouldn't > this end up in a parse error, then? The \property statement is something that syntactically counts as part of the music. Anyway, what does it matter, no sensible user would want an empty Voice, would he? > One more question: In the d.ly example there are two places where I'd > like to put notes in the lyrics to indicate the rhythm. (I know this > question was on this list and I seem to remember that this is > currently not supported) Now that there are grace notes available, > would it be possible to have a staff with invisible staff lines and no > key, key signature and time signature on it, which one could fit in > between the lyrics and print grace notes on to achieve this? Or is > there a way to reference a symbol of lilys music fonts in lyrics mode > like one can reference a math symbol of the tex meta fonts? It's very difficult to use the font symbols directly since the stems are drawn separately using a postscript macro in Lilypond's ordinary output. However, your extra staff with only notes is easy to do, isn't there an example in the Tutorial that shows how to define such a context. I don't really see the advantage of using grace notes, the size can be changed also for ordinary music. /Mats > Still one more question: The \property Lyrics.textalignment = \right > didn't work for me. Should it?