===========Timothy S. Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think the letters thorn, eth, and ash, which fell into disuse in English beween 800 and 1300 should be reintroduced. ------------- I thought 1066. I thank heofon that someone besides myself and Bill Gates has that opinion. I was in a horrible position. Now you are. But my point is that music notation is more rational than English, or any alphabetical system I can think of, and ought to be kept that way, and that which is not that way is broken and should be fixed. ================== What should one do instead? Use two rests? (NB: Honest question). ------------- ___ ___ | / | \ |/ | _|_ | | | |anks. |__/ose are the best kind. Yes. As was done for centuries before some lazy b----r thought it would break his arm. The logic AFAIK: The dotted note early in its life became an abbreviation for a note tied to another note of half its value. Tying rests makes even less sense than tying slurs, so there was no benefit of not having to draw (or read) a tie from using a dot. The trade is one possibly ambiguous symbol (the dot) for one clear one (the rest). There is also the problem of placing the dot in a tangle, in which there is far less running room than in placing another rest later in the measure. To their credit, copperplate engravers did not use dotted rests, even though making dots was the easiest thing they ever did. As anyone who has ever produced music with ink notices, there are plenty of damn dots in music already, and putting in more for such a questionable benefit made no sense to those generations, nor does it make a grain of sense to me. I am not offended by them, but when I see them in printed music, which I do often, my estimation of the basic knowledge and intelligence of the producer of it is lowered considerably. This is not fair, I know, because sometimes it is the fault of the software that is used (not here though! :-)) and not just an ignorant teacher and/or textbook author at one's favorite University. =========== Also, have you considered the fact that the american system for naming the notes, while systematic, is incomplete, and can't be completed except by using the note lengths 0 and -1 (or -2) for the breve and longa? And what about the British naming system? Even worse :). ----------- Many don't like the term whole note, so half notes happily coexist with semibreves. I don't care about terminology, per se. In the case of slurs, though, there is a real problem with terminology that is doing some real damage to this software. BTW: Someone wanted a breve by putting lines before and after a semibreve. Bad idea. He saw a cheap crummy typeface. Let's have a proper maxima (-9+?) too, not just longa (-3) and breve (-0.33333333) :-). I don't deal with that stuff, but many do. ----------- What I hate is when the computer is using logic that you reject. Then it has to be beaten into submission. Fortunately, that doesn't seem to happen nearly as much with Unix :). ------------ My worst fear is that, when all the fog of confusion is cleared up and the dust settles and the slurs and ties are *fixed*, something very illogical will end up being called a *logical slur*. Has this kind of thing ever happened? =:-@ ---------- Mi casa es su casa :-) -- Peace, understanding, health and happiness to all beings! ((((((( g__n__u f_o_r_c_e ))))))) lily_lily__lily MN[-------------------->mm@ _lilypond__ dave No Va USA David Raleigh Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]