-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 I'm sorry, I know this is OT for the list, but...
Am 21.08.2014 um 15:54 schrieb Robert J. Hansen: >> GNU community members and collaborators have discovered >> threatening details about a five-country government surveillance >> program codenamed HACIENDA. (...) (...) > Also note that, contrary to the FSF's press release, this isn't > government surveillance. It isn't even surveillance in the usual > sense of the word. (...) On the contrary, IMO this sort of thing is fully encompassed by the word surveillance, at least as far as I have always understood it. Otherwise any surveillance camera installed in a public or publicly accessible place would not be one, by definition, since it is only gathering publicly available information. After all, when I go out of the house I cannot reasonably expect to have all my actions and whereabouts remain private. I might meet someone I know who would then know where and when they saw me. And yet, if I was being either (a) systematically tracked through cameras and face recognition software, or (b) followed by people/drones (or (c), both) so my every step (in public, mind) would be recorded, then I would absolutely call that surveillance. What else could it possibly be? And if a system was put in place that would simply track everyone as in (a), then what else could we call it but mass surveillance? And yet, it's only gathering publicly available information. Of course, surveillance, _can_ mean a lot more than that: > (...) But "surveillance" seems to mean something more: someone > listening in on things that you have good reason to believe are > private. I would call that espionage, snooping, spying etc., but yes, this also absolutely falls under the heading of surveillance. It's just one facet, though. Cheers gabe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJT9nbHAAoJEO7XEikU4kSzPb0IALtekGE2FrH2p/J2mTcBq73o 5yIzc3g3pVzRUbFE01JXYluZGxVgSmJabF9dcnjhZyeGIlN5GxncLln9Bo0CdJKo rjMjpysWYQFiKFTrN4TVWkpfTDN/PhbnCrNYQiHjk07QbFCG8YOvO0p4bwDxAED7 8Wnmq5UyHqCRvv55UerXbvEuYky36EoF5JHtDidv/6ioO9l66+7a0jgoWuD1ovWq kGAPy53NheLlDqqx0MDdb4t70YTrImZma0/Cvd4ucD0L2oBygSmIFnFeYyl3lNaS 9cVd/91yRQ+QEuKwdSLbtgkcybpcY8t9G1uzKqF5Bv9PeDv3xjNCpnC/ZN2TsRs= =zyGr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users