Did you try to analyze what my projects which I shared with you are doing
to produce an APK?

On Fri 15 Feb 2019 at 21:57, Gregory Casamento <greg.casame...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Any possibility that you might be willing to share the cmake files and
> config options you used?   One direction I would like to take the project
> in is to Be able to compile on android and potentially have a uikit
> implementation on top of android.
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 15:24 Jordan Schidlowsky <jor...@noodlecake.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, ya I'm just seeing that script now, we didn't use that.  Just
>> looked at configuration options for tools-make and gnustep-base...  Then
>> fixed everything that didn't configure properly for cross-compilation and
>> re-wrote a CMakelists.txt for base and have been using that since...
>> Having the whole build (from runtime to base) in cmake makes it much easie
>> to write, run, and debug everything inside android studio (even though the
>> IDE editor doesn't support obj-c syntax).
>>
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 2:02 PM, Gregory Casamento <greg.casame...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The one we were discussing in this thread.  How are you configuring your
>> app on android?
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 14:55 Jordan Schidlowsky <jor...@noodlecake.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, i'm not sure which script you're referring to!
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 1:44 PM, Gregory Casamento <greg.casame...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you talking about how the script configures things?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:08 Jordan Schidlowsky <jor...@noodlecake.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We will be shipping a large game in a couple weeks on android that is
>>>> built on gnustep.   We've been testing very extensively over the past 3-4
>>>> months and things look quite stable (at least on armv7-a).  The game
>>>> heavily uses ARC, blocks, libdispatch....  Lemme just say the configuration
>>>> of gnustep-base, build, and project setup, were........ not ideal.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Gregory Casamento <
>>>> greg.casame...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The challenge at this point is to get a working app.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 14:47 Gregory Casamento <
>>>> greg.casame...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ivan pointed out that I was using the wrong ninja script.  This solved
>>>>> my problem.   I am now working on getting base to build properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> GC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ivan Vučica <i...@vucica.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FTR thank you for that, and for spotting -androideabi16!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 5:20 PM Jordan Schidlowsky <
>>>>>> jor...@noodlecake.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed, just sharing whats working for us via gradle config.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Ivan Vučica <i...@vucica.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aye; but we should not depend on using Gradle as the end state.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 5:09 PM Jordan Schidlowsky <
>>>>>>> jor...@noodlecake.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ya you're right,  It should be picked up.  For what it's worth,
>>>>>>>> here's our gradle config, (which ends up passing the correct flags to 
>>>>>>>> cmake
>>>>>>>> for building gnustep):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> defaultConfig {
>>>>>>>>     applicationId "com.noodlecake.ssg4"
>>>>>>>>     minSdkVersion 21
>>>>>>>>     targetSdkVersion 28
>>>>>>>>     versionCode 28
>>>>>>>>     versionName "1.0.0"
>>>>>>>>     testInstrumentationRunner 
>>>>>>>> "android.support.test.runner.AndroidJUnitRunner"
>>>>>>>>     externalNativeBuild {
>>>>>>>>         cmake {
>>>>>>>>             cppFlags "-std=c++14 -frtti -fexceptions 
>>>>>>>> -fconstant-string-class=NSConstantString"
>>>>>>>>             cFlags "-DANDROID -fconstant-string-class=NSConstantString"
>>>>>>>>             arguments "-DCMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE=ON",
>>>>>>>>                     "-DANDROID_STL=c++_static",
>>>>>>>>                     "-DANDROID_DISABLE_FORMAT_STRING_CHECKS=TRUE"
>>>>>>>>         }
>>>>>>>>     }
>>>>>>>>     ndk {
>>>>>>>>         // Specifies the ABI configurations of your native
>>>>>>>>         // libraries Gradle should build and package with your APK.
>>>>>>>>         //abiFilters 'x86', 'x86_64', 'armeabi', 'armeabi-v7a',
>>>>>>>>         //        'arm64-v8a'
>>>>>>>>         abiFilters 'armeabi-v7a'
>>>>>>>>     }
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Ivan Vučica <i...@vucica.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reading through the toolchain file
>>>>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/faab2ea5ccbf2b25df57825eb4e8d933befc94aa?url=https%3A%2F%2Fandroid.googlesource.com%2Fplatform%2Fndk%2F%2B%2Fmaster%2Fbuild%2Fcmake%2Fandroid.toolchain.cmake&userId=2790543&signature=ae1079c361f3f494>,
>>>>>>>> ANDROID_PLATFORM will be calculated from ANDROID_NATIVE_API_LEVEL. So 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> should not be the issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd start by pepper-spraying message() calls in toolchain .cmake
>>>>>>>> file, and in other .cmake files as necessary, too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jordan Schidlowsky <
>>>>>>>> jor...@noodlecake.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, i didn't see that shell script...  I think
>>>>>>>>> -DANDROID_PLATFORM=android-21 (or 23) is what you want there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Ivan Vučica <i...@vucica.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually -- it doesn't explain why this is happening, as the shell
>>>>>>>>> script (which I failed to notice Gregory attached) matches what I 
>>>>>>>>> sent him.
>>>>>>>>> It's using -DANDROID_NATIVE_API_LEVEL=23 which should make it use
>>>>>>>>> ...-androideabi23.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Strange.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:47 PM Ivan Vučica <i...@vucica.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah, that doesn't match what I sent out and makes me feel better
>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jordan Schidlowsky <
>>>>>>>>>> jor...@noodlecake.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think this line in his output indicates he's building for API
>>>>>>>>>>> 16:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  --target=armv7-none-linux-androideabi16
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Ivan Vučica <i...@vucica.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since Greg mentioned me:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Instructions/commands I came up with and that I sent over to
>>>>>>>>>>> Gregory should attempt using API level 23. Totally arbitrarily 
>>>>>>>>>>> picked. Use
>>>>>>>>>>> of pre-21 API is not happening so not an issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Needless to say, building works for me. I don’t have a
>>>>>>>>>>> self-contained script to share, but it’s super simplistic and what 
>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>>> described (incl using GUI to install NDK) is what I did.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m only sure it builds, not that it works, as I am yet to try
>>>>>>>>>>> running the code; I don’t have a build script ready for producing 
>>>>>>>>>>> an APK
>>>>>>>>>>> (the old approach from 2013 and 2014 is a mess and needs to be 
>>>>>>>>>>> reworked).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed 13 Feb 2019 at 15:34 Jordan Schidlowsky <
>>>>>>>>>>> jor...@noodlecake.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got some patches but they are pretty ugly and I want to
>>>>>>>>>>>> clean them up properly before submitting...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Jordan Schidlowsky <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jor...@noodlecake.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> An NDK app can chose to bundle in a (c++_shared) library in
>>>>>>>>>>>> your app, or you can link with a static (c++_static) standard 
>>>>>>>>>>>> library.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is actually dependant on what setting you chose for this in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> gradle build file, as gradle will pass that along to cmake which 
>>>>>>>>>>>> will link
>>>>>>>>>>>> it in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That cxx runtime test doesn't quite work correctly using an
>>>>>>>>>>>> android toolchain.  But if you want to configure your ndk app using
>>>>>>>>>>>> c++_static you can remove that test section from CMakeLists.txt 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and add in
>>>>>>>>>>>> manually below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> set(CXXRT_IS_STDLIB true)
>>>>>>>>>>>> target_link_libraries(objc c++_static stdc++)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will also note, that I am still thinking about a way to run
>>>>>>>>>>>> that test suite while cross compiling...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Gregory Casamento <
>>>>>>>>>>>> greg.casame...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A little more context...  my build environment is a MacPro 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>> running the latest version of Mojave.  I have downloaded and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> installed the
>>>>>>>>>>>> latest of Android studio and installed the latest SDK and NDK 
>>>>>>>>>>>> using the
>>>>>>>>>>>> menu under tools and the SDK manager.  The version of the NDK I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>>> using is 19.0.5232133.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  I am utterly stumped as to why this is not working.  Also, it 
>>>>>>>>>>>> seems as
>>>>>>>>>>>> though Ivan's installation of this is working which seems to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> indicate that
>>>>>>>>>>>> this is a configuration issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any input would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 7:09 AM Gregory Casamento <
>>>>>>>>>>>> greg.casame...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ### Build libobjc2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- The ASM compiler identification is Clang
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Found assembler:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/heron/Library/Android/sdk/ndk-bundle/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/darwin-x86_64/bin/clang
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Check for working C compiler:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/heron/Library/Android/sdk/ndk-bundle/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/darwin-x86_64/bin/clang
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Check for working C compiler:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/heron/Library/Android/sdk/ndk-bundle/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/darwin-x86_64/bin/clang
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- works
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Detecting C compiler ABI info
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Detecting C compile features
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Detecting C compile features - done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Check for working CXX compiler:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/heron/Library/Android/sdk/ndk-bundle/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/darwin-x86_64/bin/clang++
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Check for working CXX compiler:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/heron/Library/Android/sdk/ndk-bundle/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/darwin-x86_64/bin/clang++
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- works
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Detecting CXX compile features
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Detecting CXX compile features - done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Testing C++ interop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Testing C++ standard library
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- No useable C++ runtime found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Looking for pthread.h
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Looking for pthread.h - found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Looking for pthread_create
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Looking for pthread_create - found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Found Threads: TRUE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- GNUstep install type set to NONE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Performing Test CXA_ALLOCATE_EXCEPTION_NOEXCEPT_COMPILES
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Performing Test CXA_ALLOCATE_EXCEPTION_NOEXCEPT_COMPILES -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Success
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Configuring done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Generating done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Build files have been written to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/heron/Development/Algoriddim/gnustep-toolchain/gnustep-android/gnustep/libobjc2/build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/heron/Development/Algoriddim/gnustep-toolchain/gnustep-android/gnustep/libobjc2/build/CMake
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1/1] Linking CXX executable test_cxx_runtime
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAILED: test_cxx_runtime
>>>>>>>>>>>>> : &&
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/heron/Library/Android/sdk/ndk-bundle/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/darwin-x86_64/bin/clang++
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --target=armv7-none-linux-androideabi16
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --gcc-toolchain=/Users/heron/Library/Android/sdk/ndk-bundle/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/darwin-x86_64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --sysroot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Users/heron/Library/Android/sdk/ndk-bundle/toolchains/llvm/prebuilt/darwin-x86_64/sysroot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -g -DANDROID -fdata-sections -ffunction-sections -funwind-tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -fstack-protector-strong -no-canonical-prefixes -mfpu=vfpv3-d16
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -fno-addrsig -mthumb -Wa,--noexecstack -Wformat 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Werror=format-security
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -stdlib=libc++  -Wl,--exclude-libs,libgcc.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Wl,--exclude-libs,libatomic.a -static-libstdc++ -Wl,--build-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Wl,--warn-shared-textrel  -Wl,--exclude-libs,libunwind.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Wl,--no-undefined -Qunused-arguments -Wl,-z,noexecstack 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Wl,-z,relro
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Wl,-z,now -Wl,--gc-sections
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CMakeFiles/test_cxx_runtime.dir/typeinfo_test.cc.o  -o
>>>>>>>>>>>>> test_cxx_runtime  -latomic -lm && :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CMakeFiles/test_cxx_runtime.dir/typeinfo_test.cc.o:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> typeinfo_test.cc
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/60886d21dd395f248f150bf2063af90bce602b5b?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftypeinfo_test.cc%2F&userId=2790543&signature=a72ed8c78f119f8b>:vtable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for type_info2: error: undefined reference to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'std::type_info::__do_upcast(__cxxabiv1::__class_type_info 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> const*, void**)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> const'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clang++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to see invocation)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ### LIBOBJC2 BUILD FAILED!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am running into the above error when trying to build for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android.  I have the latest ndk and sdk installed with Android 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> studio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any idea offhand why C++ isn't finding it's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> runtime?   I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will attach the build script I am using to generate the ninja 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> script....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gnustep.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/5539c79bf8ea11ab855df69cf27c47504df4029a?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gnustep.org&userId=2790543&signature=a3bacb38978af1d3>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/0e7d2849e32e6a5545dee4db716d416d8a769d54?url=http%3A%2F%2Fheronsperch.blogspot.com&userId=2790543&signature=794ec8837a56aa7c>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ind.ie/phoenix/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/2957e53708e301d78eebf58dc506d80bbe462935?url=http%3A%2F%2Find.ie%2Fphoenix%2F&userId=2790543&signature=4c11c7cb082d4c41>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gnustep.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/395c4e14c1327f2eb68a925849b3ef4405ef1c3c?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gnustep.org&userId=2790543&signature=97bd0bcba9a39e96>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/df75d951421ec7ec49a7f3777a60a26416e028ad?url=http%3A%2F%2Fheronsperch.blogspot.com&userId=2790543&signature=9831445b2546de15>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ind.ie/phoenix/
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/aae8e7cc987e35195aa951657c98b8697f0f1d6e?url=http%3A%2F%2Find.ie%2Fphoenix%2F&userId=2790543&signature=124dae0a65061977>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
>>>>> http://www.gnustep.org
>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/f96c84969d3eb1649c6152bfd4e969a2d0bc04ca?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gnustep.org&userId=2790543&signature=cf673d8f7c9de2ee>
>>>>>  - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/6dcc6d47fb32cb89a517b10436520e8740ac82ac?url=http%3A%2F%2Fheronsperch.blogspot.com&userId=2790543&signature=6596886ce09bf75f>
>>>>> http://ind.ie/phoenix/
>>>>> <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/29eac4e9399908a6ec029d8842d4a0c867a6b255?url=http%3A%2F%2Find.ie%2Fphoenix%2F&userId=2790543&signature=b50eb38ce5efa054>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
>>>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>> http://ind.ie/phoenix/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Gregory Casamento
>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
>>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>> http://ind.ie/phoenix/
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>> Gregory Casamento
>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>> http://ind.ie/phoenix/
>>
>>
>> --
> Gregory Casamento
> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
> http://ind.ie/phoenix/
>
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