Daureen-
You're missing the point. Under the current model members of the public who want
to access a paper are paying for THE PAPER twice. They are heavily subsidizing
the subscriptions that pay for journals - providing far more than the cost of
publishing through indirect costs and other means. And then they're paying again
to access the article themselves.

And (putting aside the fact that Tang was NOT developed by NASA), It's as if
NASA had paid $100,000,000 to General Foods to produce an infinite supply of
Tang for the use of its astronauts, and then Tang charged $40/glass to the
general public to get some for themselves. One can understand why GF might try
to do that, but it's an insane deal from the public's perspective.

-Mikw


On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Daureen Nesdill <daureen.nesd...@utah.edu>
wrote:
      Actually they probably pay for it multiple times since the taxpayers
      use the products of research. Should all the products that came out
      of the space program be free - e.g. Tang, velcro?  Should all
      results of medical research partially funded by taxpayers be free
      (that would be a billing nightmare)?

      Daureen Nesdill
      U of Utah
      ________________________________________
      From: Andras Holl [h...@konkoly.hu]
      Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:17 AM
      To: boai-fo...@ecs.soton.ac.uk; SPARC Open Access Forum; American
      Scientist Open Access Forum; scholc...@ala.org; sparc...@arl.org;
      sparc...@arl.org; sparc-arfo...@arl.org; sparc-opend...@arl.org;
      Carter, Janet
      Subject: [sparc-advocacy] Re: [BOAI] Call to action: 2011 White
      House RFI on public access (deadline Jan. 2)

      Dear All,

      >
      > Taxpayers paid for the research. We deserve to be able to access
      the results.
      >
      > The main point to emphasize is that taxpayers are entitled to
      access the results of the research our tax dollars fund. >Taxpayers
      should be allowed to immediately access and fully reuse the results
      of publicly funded research.

      I would put it differently. The taxpayers should be allowed access,
      but most of them would not be interested.
      But with toll access, taxpayers actually pay for the research twice.
      Once when it is done, and once again when
      other researchers, funded by them as well, read it. So:

      Taxpayers paid for the research. They should not pay twice.

      Andras

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