Rick

I don't know if there is a way of getting a list, but I think you are 
conflating two things.  I assume you are saying you would cancel if all of the 
content of the journal was available without embargo.  Sherpa/Romeo doesn't 
tell you that - it just tells you whether or not the publisher allows green 
deposit without embargo.

And lots of publishers do - for the majority of papers in the majority of 
Elsevier titles, for example, the author is free to make available their papers 
- either pre- or post-prints.  But as most authors don't take advantage of that 
offer I guess you'll not want to cancel Elsevier's titles.

David



On 16 Sep 2013, at 15:31, Rick Anderson wrote:

> Is there an easy way (easier than searching title-by-title through 
> SHERPA/RoMEO) to get a complete list of journals offering Green access with 
> no embargo? I can't speak for the marketplace as a whole, but my library will 
> cancel most if not all of our subscriptions to any such journals — my 
> institution is not giving us money so that we can spend it on content that's 
> available for free.
> 
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> Rick Anderson
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> Marriott Library, University of Utah
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> From: <Friend>, Fred <[email protected]>
> Date: Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:06 AM
> To: "Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <[email protected]>, 
> LibLicense-L Discussion Forum <[email protected]>, SPARC Open 
> Access Forum <[email protected]>
> Subject: [sparc-oaforum] Re: Disruption vs. Protection
> 
>> This is an excellent contribution from Danny Kingsley, and it would be 
>> interesting to have some real information about subscription loss from 
>> publishers, and not only from the two publishers she mentions. Very 
>> occasionally we do hear stories about a few journals ceasing publication, 
>> but the number appears very low by comparison with the total number of 
>> research journals published, and the causal link with repository deposit is 
>> obscure. A reduction in the quality of a journal (and I do not mean impact 
>> factor) or a reduction in library funding could be more influential factors 
>> than green open access. Presumably for commercial reasons publishers have 
>> not been willing to release information about subscription levels, but if 
>> they are to continue to use green open access as a threat they have to 
>> provide more evidence.
>>  
>> Likewise if they expect to be believed, publishers have to provide more 
>> information about sustainability. They speak about repositories not being a 
>> sustainable model for research dissemination, by which they appear to mean 
>> that their journals will not be sustainable in a large-scale repository 
>> environment. Most institutional repositories are fully-sustainable, their 
>> sustainability derived from the sustainability of the university in which 
>> they are based. If any research journals are not sustainable, the reasons 
>> may have nothing to do with repositories. Those reasons are currently hidden 
>> within the "big deal" model, the weak journals surviving through the 
>> strength of other journals. Rather than blame any lack of sustainability 
>> upon green open access, perhaps publishers should take a harder look at the 
>> sustainability of some of their weaker journals. Repositories are 
>> sustainable; some journals may not be.
>>  
>> Fred Friend
>> Honorary Director Scholarly Communication UCL  
>> 
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Danny 
>> Kingsley <[email protected]>
>> Sent: 14 September 2013 08:39
>> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
>> Subject: [GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection
>>  
>> It is not that there is not sufficient data, it is that the 'threat' does 
>> not exist. 
>> 
>> The only 'evidence' to support the claim that immediate green open access 
>> threatens the 'sustainability' (read: profit) of commercial publishers comes 
>> in the form of the exceptionally questionable ALPSP survey sent out early 
>> last year to librarians 
>> http://www.publishingresearch.net/documents/ALPSPPApotentialresultsofsixmonthembargofv.pdf
>>  . Heather Morrison wrote a piece on the methodological flaws with that 
>> survey 
>> http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/publishers-association-survey-on.html
>>  
>> 
>> And yet, when questioned earlier this year by Richard Poynder, this is what 
>> Springer referred to as their 'evidence' 
>> http://poynder.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/open-access-springer-tightens-rules-on.html
>>  .
>> 
>> There are, however currently two clear opportunities for the industry to 
>> collect some actual evidence either way (as opposed to opinions on a badly 
>> expressed hypothetical):
>> 
>> Taylor & Francis have decided to indefinitely expand their trial of 
>> immediate green permissions to articles in their Library & Information 
>> Science journals. If they were to run a comparison of those titles against 
>> the titles in, say , three other disciplinary areas over two to three years 
>> they would be able to ascertain if this decision has made any difference to 
>> their subscription patterns.
>> Earlier this year (21 March) SAGE changed their policy to immediate green 
>> open access – again this offers a clean comparison between their 
>> subscription levels prior to and after the implementation of this policy.
>> If it is the case that immediate green open access disrupts subscriptions 
>> (and I strongly suspect that it does not) then we can have that conversation 
>> when the evidence presents itself. Until then we are boxing at shadows.
>> 
>> Danny
>> 
>> Dr Danny Kingsley
>> Executive Officer
>> Australian Open Access Support Group
>> e: [email protected]
>> p: +612 6125 6839
>> w: wwww.aoasg.org.au
>> t: @openaccess_oz
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Dana Roth <[email protected]>
>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> Date: Saturday, 14 September 2013 6:53 AM
>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> Subject: [GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection
>> 
>> Isn’t the fact that “The BIS report finds no evidence to support this 
>> distinction,” due to the fact that there isn’t sufficient data?
>>  
>> I sense that we are going to have to live with (Green) OA and subscription 
>> journals for some time … and that it is the subscription model for 
>> commercially published journals will be increasingly unsustainable in the 
>> short term.
>>  
>> An example of what could soon be unsustainable, is the commercially 
>> published ‘Journal of Comparative Neurology’ … that for  2012 cost its 
>> subscribers $30,860 and published only 234 articles.
>>  
>> Dana L. Roth
>> Caltech Library  1-32
>> 1200 E. California Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91125
>> 626-395-6423  fax 626-792-7540
>> [email protected]
>> http://library.caltech.edu/collections/chemistry.htm
>>  
>> From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
>> Stevan Harnad
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:39 AM
>> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
>> Subject: [GOAL] Disruption vs. Protection
>>  
>> End of the gold rush? (Yvonne Morris, cilip): "In the interest of making 
>> research outputs publicly available; shorter and consistent or no embargo 
>> periods are the desired outcome. However, publishers… have argued that short 
>> embargo periods make librarians cancel subscriptions to their journals… The 
>> BIS report finds no evidence to support this distinction."
>> 
>> I have long meant to comment on a frequent contradiction that keeps being 
>> voiced by OA advocates and opponents alike:
>> I. Call for Disruption: Serial publications are overpriced and unaffordable; 
>> publisher profits are excessive; the subscription (license) model is 
>> unsustainable: the subscription model needs to be disrupted in order to 
>> force it to evolve toward Gold OA.
>> 
>> II. Call for Protection: Serials publications are threatened by (Green) OA, 
>> which risks making the subscription model unsustainable: the subscription 
>> model needs to be protected in order to allow it to evolve toward Gold OA.
>> Green OA mandates do two things: (a) They provide immediate OA for all who 
>> cannot afford subscription access, and (b) they disrupt the subscription 
>> model.
>> 
>> Green OA embargoes do two things: (c) They withhold OA from all who cannot 
>> afford subscription access, and (d) they protect the subscription model from 
>> disruption.
>> 
>> Why do those OA advocates who are working for (a) (i.e., to provide 
>> immediate OA for all who cannot afford subscription access) also feel 
>> beholden to promise (d) (i.e. to protect the subscription model from 
>> disruption)?
>> 
>> University of Liège and FRSN Belgium have adopted -- and HEFCE and BIS have 
>> both proposed adopting -- the compromise resolution to this contradiction:
>> 
>> Mandate the immediate repository deposit of the final refereed draft of all 
>> articles immediately upon acceptance for publication, but if the author 
>> wishes to comply with a publisher embargo on Green OA, do not require access 
>> to the deposit to be made OA immediately: Let the deposit be made Closed 
>> Access during the allowable embargo period and let the repository's 
>> automated eprint-request Button tide over the needs of research and 
>> researchers by making it easy for users to request and authors to provide a 
>> copy for research purposes with one click each. 
>> 
>> This tides over research needs during the embargo. If it still disrupts 
>> serials publication and makes subscriptions unsustainable, chances are that 
>> it's time for publishers to phase out the products and services for which 
>> there is no longer a market in the online era and evolve instead toward 
>> something more in line with the real needs of the PostGutenberg research 
>> community.
>> 
>> Evolution and adaptation never occur except under the (disruptive) pressure 
>> of necessity. Is there any reason to protect the journal publishing industry 
>> from evolutionary pressure, at the expense of research progress?
>> 
>> Stevan Harnad
>> 
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