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(final "l" was missing from the URL) On 2013-12-20, at 11:10 AM, Stevan Harnad <amscifo...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Green/Gold Distinction.The definition of Green and Gold OA is that Green > OA is provided by the author and Gold OA is provided by the journal. This > makes no reference to journal cost-recovery model. Although most of the top > Gold OA journals charge APCs and are not subscription based, the majority of > Gold OA journals do not charge APCs (as Peter Suber and others frequently > point out). > > These Gold OA journals may cover their costs in one of several ways: > (i) Gold OA journals may simply be subscription journals that make their > online version OA > (ii) Gold OA journals may be subsidized journals > (iii) Gold OA journals may be volunteer journals where all parties contribute > their resources and services gratis > (iv) Gold OA journals may be hybrid subscription/Gold journals that continue > to charge subscriptions for non-OA articles but offer the Gold option for an > APC by the individual OA article. > All of these are Gold OA (or hybrid) journals. > > It would perhaps be feasible to estimate the costs of each kind. But I think > it would be a big mistake, and a source of great confusion, if one of these > kinds (say, ii, or iii) were dubbed "Platinum." > > That would either mean that it was both Gold and Platinum, or it would > restrict the meaning of Gold to (i) and (iv), which would redefine terms in > wide use for almost a decade now in terms of publication economics rather > than in terms of the way they provide OA, as they had been. > > (And in that case we would need many more "colours," one for each of (i) - > (iv) and any other future cost-recovery model someone proposes (advertising?) > -- and then perhaps also different colors for Green (institutional repository > deposit, central deposit, home-page deposit, immediate deposit, delayed > deposit, OAI-compliant, author-deposited, librarian-deposited, > provost-deposited, 3rd-party-deposited, crowd-sourced, e.g. via Mendeley, > which some have proposed calling this "Titanium OA"). > > I don't think this particoloured nomenclature would serve any purpose other > than confusion. Green and Gold designate the means by which the OA is > provided -- by the author or by the journal. The journal's cost-recovery > model is another matter, and should not be colour-coded lest it obscure this > fundamental distinction. Ditto for the deposit's locus and manner. > > Excerpted from: On "Diamond OA," "Platinum OA," "Titanium OA," and > "Overlay-Journal OA," Again > > Stevan Harnad > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Donat Agosti <ago...@amnh.org> wrote: > Ultimately you might be right. But I see OA as a process to get open access > to our research results. It is even not clear what OA means in itself, nor > whether the way to it has to follow a certain path, beyond producing results > or content that is literally free, unrestricted and open access to the > content of the article (in the sense and standards of scientific publishing). > What I hope though is that the business models will be sustainable enough, > and a particular kind of OA is not done with a malicious intention (like Ford > who the LA tramways system only to shut it down to sell their cars instead). > > What's more important is the commitment of the MfN to continue publish, and > publish in OA. That means there will be enough financial resources to > maintain their inhouse journals, send a signal to other similar institutions > to follow suit (which they want to do not because of the journals but because > the results are instantaneously distributed to Encyclopedia of Life, > Species-ID, Plazi, GBIF, institutions that multiply the distribution > effects). Another aspect is the commitment of Pensoft to innovate, to develop > new ways of publishing scientific results, like the most recent creation of > the Biodiversity Data Journal. > http://biodiversitydatajournal.com/articles.php?id=995 > > Even though the profit margin of Pensoft is not public, the prices to publish > are and they are well below what Elsevier and others ask for a technically > inferior product. Despite not being Cell or another high profile journal, > >43,000 visits for an article about spiders shows a potential impact > (http://tinyurl.com/pnozq7p ) , though not resulting necessarily in high > impact factors. Taxonomy is notorious for having low impact factors, but very > long shelf life of their publications - where else are publications from 1758 > regularly cited?! > > I also think that publishing in taxonomy is different than the SMT publishers > that make the big buck. Traditionally, we have an estimated 2000 journals > where the discovery of new species is recorded, some of them are very small > covering one taxon, are published in one of the big and not so big natural > history museums, not even primarily to sell but to exchange with other > museums. For all of us it is only an advantage if we have a publisher that is > willing to tackle this market. It is the only way we finally might be able > what is running and flying around out there. > > Interestingly enough it is Pensoft that pioneered together with Plazi (my > institution) and NLM the development of TaxPub JATS, the first domain > specific flavor of NLM's JATS used to archive biomedical journals at PubMed > Central - taxonomists have been the first for once in the life sciences and > medical world. > > We have discussions with Pensoft about open source etc., but what for us > counts more is the trust in Pensoft to work for the distribution of > scientific results to the best of the scientist, and actually do deliver: the > results are their increasing number of journals, a robust publishing > environment, helping solving longstanding issues in our domain, like > identifiers for scientific names, treatments etc, and actually deploy them in > their journals. This is the only way to get over what seemed until very > recently un insurmountable barrier. > > Sorry for providing neither a black and white, no or yes answer > > All the best > > Donat > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] Im Auftrag > von Richard Poynder > Gesendet: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:35 PM > An: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)' > Betreff: [GOAL] Re: new platinum open access > > Thanks for posting this Donat, > > I am curious as to how much the Museum für Naturkunde, Berlin is paying > Pensoft to publish these journals, and I would think others on the list might > be too. Unfortunately, when I asked Pensoft for the information I was told > that it was confidential. Since the data would help other > journals/organisations looking to pursue the so-called "platinum road" it > seems a shame. Would you agree? > > Richard Poynder > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of > Donat Agosti > Sent: 19 December 2013 09:35 > To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) > Subject: [GOAL] new platinum open access > > Below a success story for our (taxonomists) goal to not only provide open > access but also create semantically enhanced journals based on Taxpub JATS. > In this case two old prestigious journals are now published this way. > > Donat > > > > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-12/pp-tot121813.php > > > > > 2 of the oldest German journals in Zoology go for 'platinum' open access > Deutsche Entomologische Zeitschrift and Zoosystematics and Evolution join the > family of Pensoft journals > > > Enough has been written and said about "platinum" open access as a step > beyond the "green" and "gold" open access models. However, comparatively > little has been seen of its practical implementation. On 1 January 2014, two > of the oldest German journals in Zoology - Deutsche Entomologische > Zeitschrift and Zoosystematics and Evolution - make a step right into the > future by joining the journal publishing platform of Pensoft Publishers and > adopting "platinum" open access > > For Pensoft, "platinum" open access means not just that the articles and all > associated materials are free to download and that there are no author-side > fees but even more so that novel approaches are used in the dissemination and > reuse of published content. This publishing model includes: > > Free to read, reuse, revise, remix, redistribute > Easy to discover and harvest by both humans and computers > Content automatically harvested by aggregators > Data and narrative integrated to the widest extent possible > Community peer-review and rapid publication > Easy and efficient communication with authors and reviewers > No author-side fees > > Deutsche Entomologische Zeitschrift and Zoosystematics and Evolution are > titles of the Museum für Naturkunde, Berlin. Deutsche Entomologische > Zeitschrift, founded in 1857 as Berliner Entomologische Zeitschrift, is one > of the oldest entomological journals worldwide, and the oldest one in > Germany. It publishes original research papers in English on the systematics, > taxonomy, phylogeny, comparative morphology, and biogeography of insects. > Having long been indexed by Thomson Reuters's Web of Science, now the journal > will go on the route of innovation with Pensoft. > > Zoosystematics and Evolution, formerly Mitteilungen aus dem Museum für > Naturkunde in Berlin, Zoologische Reihe - is an international, peer-reviewed > life science journal devoted to whole-organism biology, that also has a rich > history behind itself (established in 1898). It publishes original research > and review articles in the field of zoosystematics, evolution, morphology, > development and biogeography at all taxonomic levels. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
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