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Hi Paulo,

Five hundred years later, with no Portuguese dictatorship, let us acknowledge 
the facts.  Before the Portuguese used force and conquered Goa, it was a small 
part of a country with its capital in Bijapur.  Goa has for million of years 
been part of the Asian - Indian subcontinent ... and never been, even remotely, 
part of Portugal or Europe.  Is a Portuguese conquered Goa free, but not an 
Indian conquered Goa?

I think your quarrel on semantics has / can / will continue ad infinitum.  
Personally I do not care what choice of words you and others select.  These 
semantics are ALL CORRECT and non-exclusive.  The emphasis depends on which 
corner one stood and what view one observed about the same event in history.  
This was simplified for you in the example of the daughter being kidnapped and 
re-kidnapped.  Sorry you did not read and understand what I wrote.  

You missed the punch line that the girl could have / should have been smart!  
If Goans were smart, we would have shaped our own history - pre-, during-, and 
post-1961.  So can we learn from history and be smart and united?  Is that 
being ridiculous?  A plain reading of English would find no dichotomy in the 
terms. Yet from Goan perspective, these individual words are code phrases that 
are significant  to some and totally meaningless to most.

As I read your writings, the fidalgos of Goa slept before and after 1961 .... 
and have not yet stopped crying over spilt milk.  All I can say is it is never 
too late for you and a handful of others to wake up and move on!  

While you are arguing about Goa 50 years ago, the recent India Abroad reports 
that India will introduce 50 new-model cars this year, its growth rate in car 
sales has been 20% per year and Goa may become the Las Vegas of India.  Perhaps 
Goans today should learn from the Macauans. The National Business Report in USA 
is reporting the New York's Wall Street stock exchange and Goldman Sachs is 
going to buy a 5% stake (each) in the Mumbai stock exchange, which has been the 
fastest growing stock exchange in the world. 
Kind Regards, GL

---- Paulo Colaco Dias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Gilbert, do not be ridiculous!  I see your point but it is a ridiculous 
argument used by those who have been completely brainwashed and who want 
everyone to think that Goa was part of India before the Portuguese times.

Having said all this as above, to what extent can this be remotely compared to 
the case of a daughter being kidnapped by someone?

I do not know about you all, but I expected something better constructed coming 
from Gilbert. His example not only is ridiculous and tremendously naive, it is 
also childish to say the least!  But this is most typical of the brainwashed 
type!
Yours truly disappointed...  Paulo Colaco Dias

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gilbert Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Read and analyzed this with great interest.  If someone kidnapped your 
> daughter.  You take a gun and approach his house.  Fire a few shots. Even 
> kill him and take back your daughter.
> 
> Did you:
> Conquer your opponent?
> Invade your opponent's residence?
> Liberate your daughter?
> Should you be punished for trespassing?
> Should you be accused of using a firearm?
> Should you be hanged for homicide?
> Should you be treated as a hero?
> All of the above?
>
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