Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:35:36 +0530 From: "Fr. Ivo C da Souza" <icso...@bsnl.in>
I agree to disagree with you that because the existence of God cannot be proved or disproved by Science, there is no scientific basis for the mystical experience. It is the human brain that receives the impact of the reality outside it, and therefore my point is that the mystical experience is not an "hallucination". It is rooted in the reality. God has entered the human history, we can feel it in history, by effects and consequences, individual and societal. Mario responds: Yeah, yeah, yeah! But how do experiments in mystical experiences proove anything other than the individuals are having mystical experiences? Does the reality that God has entered human history because of the beliefs and the personal faith of humans constitute proof that God exists? Padre Ivo wrote: We have to find it out before we go there!... God himself has revealed it, why not listen to him now only? Mario observes: Padre Ivo, I thought you previously agreed, "....because the existence of God cannot be proved or disproved by Science,..." If the existence of God cannot be proven by science, how do we find out for sure before going there? BTW, if you really believed that the existence of God cannot be either proven or disproven by science, this thread would have ended long ago. Padre Ivo wrote: I am not telling you from my brain, but from God's Revelation accepted by the believers... I am trying to spell out what history and science can tell us about it. Mario responds: Isn't God's revelation, "accepted by believers", coming from your brain because your brain chooses to believe this because of your faith? If we have agreed that science cannot prove the existence of God, what difference does it make what "history", written by people of faith, says? In the history written by atheists, there is no God, just people who believe there is a God. Padre Ivo wrote: As far as I know, this is not his scope in experimenting in neuroscience... [the suggestion that Mario Beauregard may have better luck doing peer reviewed neuroscientific studies on the motives of scientists on both sides of the debate on whether climate change is being caused by humans, and that the sky will fall if we don't do something real soon.] Mario responds: Perhaps it should be because it would help the world far more than pretending to prove something we have already agreed cannot be proven by science. Depending on what he discovers it may help us to avoid disastrous economic policies without achieving anything in return. What Beauregard is proving is only that people believe that God exists. Didn't we know this already? Do we need experiments to prove this? Padre Ivo wrote: No, no! You are not encroaching on my space! That is your space! You can read more and entertain us more! Mario responds: However, I hope you are also learning how basic common sense works, which is the primary objective:-)) Padre Ivo wrote: I can feel the power of your brain! Oh! No! I would not like to compete with you! Nor do I need recognition! So far I had enough space on Goanet! Mario responds: OK, then. That's settled:-)) I hope you keep this in mind when dealing with me:-)) Padre Ivo wrote: This is entertaining posting, it needs special recognition. Mario responds: I hope this means you voted for me in the poll being conducted by some Goanetters who apparently believe that a public worldwide forum is meant to entertain them:-)) In the context of Goanet, a forum is defined as "a public meeting place for open discussion c: a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas." No mention of entertaining anyone. No mention that everyone who chooses to attend has to be interested in every subject being discussed - this comment is for the small cabal of Goanetters who periodically complain about what others are discussing, how they choose to discuss, what they choose to say and for how long, instead of minding their own business and looking for posts that do interest them.
