Hi Jerry
What cult like group in Oregon is behind it?

Jerry wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> I saw the original What The Bleep movie some years ago so I can't 
> comment directly on the sequel. But assuming they are similar I'll 
> offer the following:
>
> Good Points:
>
> It illustrates a good deal of advanced quantum physics in a way the 
> average person can get interested about.
>
> Held one's attention with a plot
>
> Brought in interviews with scientists
>
> Bad Points
>
> The group behind it is heavily influenced by a semi-cult like group 
> based in Oregon.
>
> Failed to point out that all this nifty quantum stuff does not happen
> in the macro sized world we live in.
>
> Left people with the impression that "wow this explains it all 
> ....from teleportation to past life regression!". New Age types assume 
> it validated whatever they are into.
>
> To illustrate: In the Quantum World at distances around the Plank 
> length all kinds of cool stuff happens. There is effect at a distance 
> faster than the speed of light, stuff is in two places at once or 
> somewhere, nowhere and everywhere and you have quantum tunneling 
> (where one thing can move through another).
>
> However none of this happens in the world we live in.
>
> Nobody has ever moved information faster than the speed of light.
>
> All the stuff in our consciousness is always in one place at a time.
> You put your keys on the table and they stay there. They don't 
> reappear on the desk.
>
> We can't walk through walls, move object with our minds, or alter 
> events with thoughts.
>
> If that were the case, millions of SGI members chanting to save the 
> Sho Hondo from demolition would have pervented a few old priests 
> running Nichiren Shoshu from blowing up the place.
>
> If that were the case tens of thousands of people selected for 
> execution on an average day at a Nazi concentration camp would have 
> been able to overpower with thought, the few hundred guards taking 
> them to their death.
>
> If that were the case the thoughts of millions of people who stood to 
> lose everything from the economic collapse of 2008 would have 
> prevented it by "Thought Power". Instead some are in jail and many 
> more are in foreclosure or surviving on movement loans.
>
> In fact, economic bubbles rather prove the premise of the movie that 
> reality is created by though doesn't work in general. Sure some kinds 
> of ulcers are probably created by stress or worry and if one learns to 
> meditate you blood pressure will decline but that involves biochemical 
> reality in your blood and nervous system not the quantum universe.
>
> Remember our thoughts are never in reality at the current moment, they 
> are always in the past. It takes about 8/5000th of a second for a 
> external event, a pin prick to reach the brain. Before it can trigger 
> enough neurons to generate a thought like "ouch" another 25 to 
> 40/5000th of a second pass. So by the time you have a though the 
> universe around you is different by about 50/5000 of a second.
> How can you influence something, the current condition of things, when 
> you are never in the timeline they inhabit…but always stuck in the 
> past? This might explain why so few of our thoughts and prayers lead 
> to what we would like, in reality…..we are never in reality, as it is now.
>
> If you do find some examples of things mentioned in the movie ACTUALLY 
> happening, please let me know.
>
> Jerry
>
> --- In [email protected] 
> <mailto:GohonzonForum%40yahoogroups.com>, JIM WAGGONER <buts...@...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Â
> > I recently viewed a video called “What the bleep â€" Down the 
> rabbit hole� The movie deals with quantum physics, biophysics, 
> religion, consciousness and reality (life) in general. Two things in 
> particularly impressed me. One, that our thoughts have direct 
> influence our physical reality. Two, on the quantum level of reality; 
> the classic law of cause and effect breaks down (yet, physicists are 
> still trying to define it in terms of causality). Also, it is claimed 
> that there are multiple universes (multiverse) and (though unexplained 
> in the movie), there are 3000.
> > Â
> > I am trying to integrate this information into my understanding 
> Ichinen Sanzen and Esho Funi.
> > Â
> > Has anyone here seen this video? Would anyone care to comment?
> > Â
> > Jim
> > Â
> > CHANGE YOUR MIND, CHANGE YOUR REALITY â€" Actuality I have been 
> hearing this message in various forms for years.
> > Â
> > www.whatthebleep.com
> > Â
> >
>
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