Hello Jason,

I am also using spring and I experience the same issue. Initializing
Spring FrameworkServlet takes about 15 seconds.  Going back to plain
old servlets sounds like a bad idea to me.
Isn't there any other way to speed this up?  Maybe using memcache?

Cheers,
Tobias


On Oct 23, 5:53 pm, "Jason (Google)" <apija...@google.com> wrote:
> Hi David. What is your application's ID?
>
> - Jason
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:46 PM, david.zverina <david.zver...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Keeping steady HTTP traffic does not work either. I have a script
> > which 'http pings' my application every 30 seconds. Yet my app-engine
> > instance experienced 70 spin downs yesterday alone!
>
> > I am REALLY looking to this update - until then I'd highly recommend
> > staying away from Spring!
>
> > On Oct 21, 6:59 pm, "Jason (Google)" <apija...@google.com> wrote:
> > > Aside from keeping steady HTTP traffic to your site, I'm afraid not. But
> > as
> > > I wrote in my last post, we're making updates over the next few releases
> > to
> > > drive this startup time lower.
>
> > > - Jason
>
> > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Marcel Overdijk
> > > <marceloverd...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > Is there any other way to keep an instance "warm"?
>
> > > > Startup of instance just takes to much time to have an effective GAE/J
> > > > application...
>
> > > > On 19 okt, 22:58, "Jason (Google)" <apija...@google.com> wrote:
> > > > > To answer your question, no, having a cron job run every minute to
> > keep
> > > > an
> > > > > instance warm will not work. If all application instances have spun
> > down,
> > > > > then a fresh HTTP request will require a new instance to be created,
> > > > which
> > > > > will incur the startup costs.
>
> > > > > - Jason
>
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Toby <tobias.ro...@sunnymail.mobi>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > That is an interesting thread.  I was asking myself the same
> > question.
> > > > > > My problem is, that I have some expensive initialization that is
> > done
> > > > > > when the webapp is initialized.  I recognized that the very first
> > > > > > request (after a longer time of idle) takes a lot of time. And as
> > you
> > > > > > say is expensive.
> > > > > > I wonder if it would make sense to have a cron job that runs every
> > > > > > minute to prevent this?
>
> > > > > > On Oct 15, 10:52 pm, Timwillhack <timwillh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I should probably point out that when I say 'Timed out' I really
> > > > mean,
> > > > > > > clean start after waiting say 10 minutes to refresh a page, its
> > not a
> > > > > > > 30 second endless while loop or anything, its actually just
> > > > outputting
> > > > > > > one character from a string array.
>
> > > > > > > On Oct 15, 2:46 pm, Timwillhack <timwillh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I was just curious if the initialization of the Java VM is
> > actually
> > > > > > > > charged a client?  Here are some sample headers from Java vs.
> > > > Python
> > > > > > > > after letting the server timeout:
>
> > > > > > > > VERY EXPENSIVE JAVA (timed out - guessing restarting VM):
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Estimated-CPM-US-Dollars: $0.149171
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Resource-Usage: ms=4152 cpu_ms=6440 api_cpu_ms=0
>
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Estimated-CPM-US-Dollars: $0.145377
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Resource-Usage: ms=3890 cpu_ms=6276 api_cpu_ms=0
>
> > > > > > > > Cheap JAVA (quick refresh):
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Estimated-CPM-US-Dollars: $0.000168
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Resource-Usage: ms=41 cpu_ms=3 api_cpu_ms=0
>
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Estimated-CPM-US-Dollars: $0.000189
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Resource-Usage: ms=19 cpu_ms=4 api_cpu_ms=0
>
> > > > > > > > CHEAP PYTHON FRESH START (waited about 10 mins before
> > connecting):
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Estimated-CPM-US-Dollars: $0.002778
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Resource-Usage: ms=103 cpu_ms=116 api_cpu_ms=0
>
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Estimated-CPM-US-Dollars: $0.002778
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Resource-Usage: ms=106 cpu_ms=116 api_cpu_ms=0
>
> > > > > > > > PYTHON RECONNECT QUICKLY:
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Estimated-CPM-US-Dollars: $0.000231
> > > > > > > > X-AppEngine-Resource-Usage: ms=7 cpu_ms=6 api_cpu_ms=0
>
> > > > > > > > Python is reporting very very very cheaper pricing per 1000.
> >  Is
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > the case or does google not really charge for the
> > initialization
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > java?  I sat here refreshing a page with a friend doing the
> > same,
> > > > out
> > > > > > > > of the 40 or so requests about 4 were skyrocketed in price.
> >  This
> > > > > > > > makes me very wary about making something that is hit
> > excessively,
> > > > > > > > since it seems like each instance is only taking 10 requests
> > each
> > > > per
> > > > > > > > minute or whatver....
>
> > > > > > > > Yuck, are my numbers flawed or something?  Or is Python just so
> > > > much
> > > > > > > > more efficient to use on app engine?
>
>
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