Thanks for your reply, Jon, but I don't have any entity groups with
more than one entity right now.  I had the same thought a while back,
and haven't been using any entity groups or ancestors since 2 months
ago, but nothing changed.  These timeouts are happening when putting
single entities.

Alex



On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Jon McAlister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex, sorry for the frustrations this is causing. The first thing I
> would check for here is to verify that these writes are not failing
> due to entity group contention. (documentation on entity groups:
> http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/datastore/keysandentitygroups.html#Entity_Groups_Ancestors_and_Paths).
> All writes within one entity group are optimistically serialized. You
> mention that a good write latency is 100ms. So, if you ever try to do
> more than 10 writes in one second you will experience transaction
> retries and eventually you will hit the datastore timeout. Note that
> even put() and get_or_insert() are still considered transactions in
> our system.
>
> On Oct 7, 2:48 pm, Alex Epshteyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> As an example, of how frequently datastore write timeouts are
>> happening on app engine, here are the last 20 entries in my production
>> error log, showing 20 timeouts in 15 minutes!
>>
>> I'm hoping the Google team will break their silence about this and at
>> least acknowledge the problem.
>>
>> Developers: please star issue  
>> http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=764
>> if you are also experiencing this problem.
>>
>> 10-07 02:20PM 48.172 /games 500 4040ms 11285mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:20PM 48.172 /games 500 4040ms 11285mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:16PM 43.763 /games 500 2813ms 8253mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:16PM 43.410 /games 500 3078ms 8909mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:16PM 40.958 /games 500 3084ms 8915mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:15PM 03.499 /games 500 4109ms 12077mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:15PM 02.584 /games 500 4110ms 12365mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:14PM 21.732 /games 500 3071ms 8900mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:10PM 52.865 /games 500 4045ms 11287mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:10PM 51.875 /games 500 4041ms 11285mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:10PM 41.774 /games 500 4036ms 11282mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:10PM 36.958 /games 500 4033ms 11279mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:10PM 23.148 /games 500 4039ms 11174mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:08PM 31.288 /games 500 4068ms 10555mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:08PM 30.842 /games 500 4449ms 12217mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:07PM 27.179 /games 500 4047ms 11285mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:07PM 24.828 /games 500 4047ms 11284mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:07PM 20.139 /games 500 4061ms 11281mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:07PM 18.532 /games 500 4042ms 11246mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:07PM 08.776 /games 500 4048ms 11285mcycles 0kb
>> 10-07 02:05PM 58.206 /games 500 4047ms 11019mcycles 0kb
>>
>> On Oct 6, 1:53 am, Alex Epshteyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Please see:http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=764
>>
>> > There is a recent thread on this group titled "Why Google App Engine
>> > is broken and what Google must do to fix it."  I personally don't
>> > think that any of the topics raised by the OP of that thread imply
>> > that anything is broken - they are just feature requests.
>>
>> > What *is* broken, however, is writing to the Datastore.  Lots of
>> > developers, not just me, have been complaining about this here for
>> > months.  I don't think there's been any real response from the Google
>> > team about this.  This issue needs to be investigated and hopefully
>> > fixed before App Engine can be used for production.  The probability
>> > of failure for any given data write request is just too high right
>> > now.  I actually *am* using App Engine in production and somewhat
>> > regretting it, mostly due to this issue.
> >
>

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