Andy

Thanks for the heads-up...

The link to that paper is here and it makes for a good read...
http://awsmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/AWS_HIPAA_Whitepaper_Final.pdf

Unfortunately after I skimmed through it I felt a little unsettled
about AppEngine's security model...probably just my limited
understanding of what's under the hood, but nonetheless security is
kinda important and maybe its time to start asking some plain
questions.

For instance, here's one thing the Amazon whitepaper had to say about
auditing...


"In designing a HIPAA-compliant system, customers should put auditing
capabilities in place
to allow security analysts to drill down into detailed activity logs
or reports to see who had
access, IP address entry, what data was accessed, etc. This data
should be tracked, logged, and
stored in a central location for extended periods of time in case of
an audit. "

So can AppEngine enable this and if so how? My gut is telling me yes
but there's still a nagging concern...How do I know if someone inside
Google looked at my customers data? Is there some kind of *deep*
logging mechanism of sorts?

Thx much.

BTW -- If Google has a comparable whitepaper, I'd very much appreciate
the link.

Thx much.

On Jul 7, 4:01 am, Andrew Badera <and...@badera.us> wrote:
> There's a whitepaper by Amazon on the topic. Google it, it's been a
> few months since I looked at it, don't have a link offhand, sorry.
>
> Thanks-
> - Andy Badera
> - and...@badera.us
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> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:17 PM, GenghisOne<mdkach...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if Amazon's EC2 platform is HIPAA-compliant?
>
> > On Jul 6, 12:44 pm, richard emberson <richard.ember...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Not going to happen. The IT requirements for Google would
> >> cost far more than the couple of applications that might
> >> need HIPAA. They would have to have a completely
> >> separate group with their own machines, passwords,
> >> procedures, etc. with a real wall (both material wall
> >> and software/hardware wall) between the group and the rest of
> >> Google or all of Google would have to be HIPAA
> >> compliant. So, how much is it worth for Google? Not much.
>
> >> RME
>
> >> Ken wrote:
> >> > Hi,
>
> >> > I'm researching the feasibility of running a healthcare app on the
> >> > AppEngine cloud.  I've read through the AE terms of service and they
> >> > don't say much about the actual security guidelines other than
> >> > deferring to the boilerplate Google security policy.  I have no doubt
> >> > there are internal documents detailing the exact security guarantees
> >> > provided by Google's infrastructure, but that information is not
> >> > readily available to the public.
>
> >> > It's been a full year since the last time HIPAA was discussed in this
> >> > group.  Now that SSL support has been enabled, data transfer
> >> > constraints can be met with ease.  So, what's the story today with GAE
> >> > and HIPAA compliance?  Are the App Engine's data storage and transfer
> >> > mechanisms compatible with the guidelines set out by HIPAA?
>
> >> > Google Apps documentation has quite a bit more security information,
> >> > such as specifying annual SAS 70 Type II audits.  I'm not familiar
> >> > with this particular security audit, but some quick research seems to
> >> > indicate that SAS 70 audit controls are mostly a superset of HIPAA
> >> > guidelines.  However, there are some aspects of HIPAA compliance that
> >> > seem to be difficult to implement in a distributed database system, so
> >> > any reassurances from the Google App Engine folks in this regard would
> >> > be most appreciated.
>
> >> > Thanks!
>
> >> > Ken
>
> >> --
> >> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
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