I don't disagree about the messaging. We see a lot of confusion from developers. It's something we'll have to clarify as the product gets closer to a public launch.
-- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:01 PM, David Parks <davidpark...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Point taken. And I can agree that for a large enterprise of say 2000+ > people, 12k/yr for a big app is swollowable. Especially if that 12k/yr gets > me 10 apps (that point is unclear to me as a user, marketing could clarify > it in your messaging). > > My point is about the small business running on google apps. The ~130 > person business pays the same as the 2000 person enterprise, roughly > speaking. It’s just my 2-cents and maybe some food for thought, but it > seems like this pricing model will favor large and push away small. > > > > But really, your biggest problem is that your messaging isn’t clear about > the use cases that you are targeting. I think someone in marketing could > really clean up the messaging so that we can understand the intended use > cases better. > > > > All suggestions made in good spirit, I love what you’ve created here. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > *From:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto: > google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ikai Lan (Google) > *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2010 12:48 AM > *To:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business > pricing Q > > > > The pricing is meant to be extremely competitive against "private cloud" > offerings by other providers in this space. A $40-$100 VPS does not come > with baked-in authentication with Google Apps or a centralized > administration, nor does it come with App Engine's APIs. You can certainly > build a similar stack that works for you, but in the end, you're paying for > a managed solution versus one you manage and build yourself. There's a point > at which self-management doesn't scale anymore, and a decent systems > administrator certainly wouldn't cost $800. > > > > As far as pricing goes, you may not personally think it makes sense for > your needs, but 10 years ago, none of us probably would have guessed that > large enterprises were willing to drop $60+ a month per user for a web based > CRM system. > > > -- > > Ikai Lan > Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine > > Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com > > Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, David Parks <davidpark...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > Oh interesting. Maybe I'm mis-understanding google's intention here. I had > hoped to use app-engine to host a generic web-facing site. It seems like a > brilliant platform for that. But perhaps this is not a primary use case > considered by google? Or maybe that's what they mean by "users outside your > org would be billed differently", perhaps the whole concept is still in its > infancy. > > But even so, I would be surprised, because a 100 person intranet site > shouldn’t cost a small company $800 to host (surely a typical $40-$100 VPS > on any old hosting provider would be more than sufficient). > > Oh well, I guess the marketing execs have some work to do. :) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com > [mailto:google-appeng...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Spear > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:22 AM > To: Google App Engine > Subject: [google-appengine] Re: Google apps engine for Business pricing Q > > My understanding that the the App Engine for Business offering you're > describing is intended for intranet applications, and that the user count > would be the number of users in your Google Apps domain. > There's no "free quota" because the applications aren't free in the first > place. As I understand it there's no quota system at all because the > business model is different than the "pay for what you use" model in normal > App Engine. (Although it may be reasonable to think you'd still have the > limits of the non-billable quotas, maybe at different levels, to prevent, > say, a 1-person "organization" from running some massive cluster computing > application in the cloud for super-cheap...) > > Applications intended to be used by users outside your organization would > be > billed differently. > > On Oct 20, 12:33 pm, "David Parks" <davidpark...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I'm looking at Google apps engine for Businesses, and in the pricing > > it > > says: > > > > Each application costs $8 per user, up to a maximum of $1000, per month. > > > > Can someone explain to me what a "user" is in this context? I can't > > find any explanation. Is this just the user that creates the app on > > appengine.google.com? Meaning $8 allows you to create up to 10 apps + > > billable usage over the free quota? 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