I did, and used Objectify (Jeff is kinda familiar with that I think :)). A 
plain Hello World with only registering the entities will get you around 
the 4-5 sec mark, which is hardly a real application. 

I have a highly optimized app as a backend for my Android app, and that 
even takes around the 6-8 seconds mark to start up and it varies too.
Add in some third party frameworks, like Jersey for JAXRS and Guice to keep 
your code sane and you're at the 12 secs.

So kool aid or not, Java start up overhead will always be more than it is 
for python and I think the 5 seconds mentioned is far from typical if you 
are running a non-trivial app.

On Friday, July 20, 2012 6:20:56 AM UTC+2, Brandon Wirtz wrote:
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> Dump PMF use the low level API 
> https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/java/javadoc/com/google/appengi 
>
> ne/api/datastore/package-summary<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/java/javadoc/com/google/appengine/api/datastore/package-summary>
>  
>
> Either drink the Kool Aid, or quit complaining :-) 
>
> 5s will be 1.5 
>
>
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>

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