Hi timh, Please, read the title of this thread. The use case is clear: snapchat
If my bill is quite expensive with a couple million uniques a month, imagine theirs with a couple hundred million? Best, Rafa On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:16 AM, timh <zutes...@gmail.com> wrote: > Honestly, every one will have different experiences, to make blanket > statements about how it is expensive just doesn't fly. > > I can argue and with figures to back my statement up. Maybe you > application doesn't suit the appengine model. > > I have a system with around 2000 daily users (they must use the system for > certification, so it is compulsory for 3-5 years. Numbers will be twice > that within 6 months). This system went live in July 2010. > > It costs only $2-$3 a day, we generally don't have problems with > 'hiccoughs' and the amount we save in not having to manage any > infrastructure at all > is worth a great deal more than $2 a day. > > Ultimately it's horses for courses. Maybe you picked the wrong platform > for you application, maybe you made bad architectural choices, but to > suggest > you experience holds for all other use cases is quite ridiculous. > > T > > On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:55:26 PM UTC+8, Rafael Sanches wrote: > >> alex, >> >> I keep using appengine because my service is too big for a migration. I'm >> the founder of the company. >> >> We chose appengine when it launched. At the time the costs we more than 3 >> times less. They changed the price and our service was already built, so >> we've got locked in. >> >> Do the calculations. I would rather hire a $300k/year engineer that can >> scale the service with $5k a month, rather than hiring a $120k that would >> scale at $60k month. >> >> Again, we're not in the 70's anymore. It's not that difficult to do what >> you're describing. >> >> I'm not arguing. This is not a discussion. Nobody can argue that >> appengine is a good choice costs wise. >> >> There are plenty of wonderful things about appengine, but cost is >> certainly not one of them, so please stop fake-ing :) >> >> bye >> rafa >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:43 PM, alex <al...@cloudware.it> wrote: >> >>> Totally agree with Jim and Tim. >>> But, I think it's a waste of time trying to reason with guys like >>> Rafael and coto. >>> >>> They keep forgetting the cost of software and hardware maintainance, >>> monitoring, load balancing, scaling, intrastructure stack, >>> reliability, etc, no matter how many times you try to explain it. >>> Sometimes, I wonder why they keep using App Engine. Maybe it's just >>> because their companies actually did proper ROI/TCO calculations. >>> >>> On 21 January 2014 07:35, Rafael <mufu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Guys, >>> > >>> > Please, we're not in 1970 anymore. There is no argue that appengine is >>> the >>> > most expensive hosting on earth and possibly the universe. >>> > >>> > My company spend $4000 a month with appengine. We could host the same >>> > service with $50 in a more powerful environment: >>> > http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/ >>> rootserver-produktmatrix-ex >>> > >>> > With $300 we could make it redundant and more reliable and faster than >>> > appengine. >>> > A dedicated server is also more reliable, because of appengine infamous >>> > "hicupps" due to its scheduling system and instance boot time. >>> > In one of my services I rent a rack with 20 spaces and it's filled >>> with only >>> > 10 severs. It means I can scale my servers with 10 more. That >>> configuration >>> > costs $1000. >>> > Please, pay attention for 10 dedicated quad-core with 32GB of ram. How >>> much >>> > would you pay in appengine for that type of throughput? I did the >>> > calculations: $60k. >>> > >>> > Please, it's incomparable price wise. There's no argue and let's not go >>> > there :) >>> > >>> > thanks >>> > rafa >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Jim <jeb6...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I've seen many variations of this statement, "Google App Engine is >>> >> expensive!", and it always strikes me as a bit off. I supppose it >>> depends >>> >> on your perspective and your requirements. >>> >> >>> >> For the past three years I've been running a small start-up building a >>> >> SaaS analytics application. For the prior 25 years or so I built >>> enterprise >>> >> apps for some well-known software houses. The last 12 years I was >>> building >>> >> SaaS-based software products serving top-tier global financial >>> institutions. >>> >> During that time I worked on projects where we built, from the ground >>> up, 2 >>> >> different web-based solutions which wound up serving >>> tens-of-thousands of >>> >> end-users and very large volumes of system-to-system (B2B type) >>> transaction >>> >> volumes. >>> >> >>> >> When we created our infrastructure for these systems we needed >>> multiple >>> >> geographically dispersed data centers, high levels of fault-tolerance >>> within >>> >> any given data center, n-tier architecture, secure systems, scalable >>> >> databases and front-end servers, system, security and network >>> monitoring and >>> >> administration, etc. When you spec that all out from scratch, you >>> will have >>> >> a hard time doing it for less than several hundred thousand dollars >>> capex >>> >> with big ongoing opex expense. Any growth beyond your initial >>> headroom will >>> >> require additional capex expenditure and incremental ongoing opex. >>> >> >>> >> Depending on the profile of your application and the system load, at >>> some >>> >> point you will pass the threshold of it being cheaper to build and >>> maintain >>> >> your own equivalent infrastructure, but that threshold is very, very >>> high. >>> >> So it makes me think people who say GAE is 'expensive' are not making >>> a >>> >> comparison such as this. Maybe they don't really need everything >>> that GAE >>> >> offers. >>> >> >>> >> Or perhaps they are comparing GAE to other cloud offerings such as >>> AWS? >>> >> Amazon's pricing doesn't seem to be radically different than Google's >>> to me, >>> >> for similar services. And given that Amazon's PaaS solution is not >>> yet as >>> >> complete at GAE, I think that any complete appliation built on AWS is >>> going >>> >> to require some level of system-engineering. System engineers are not >>> >> cheap. One of the things we like about GAE is that, at this point in >>> our >>> >> corporate evolution, we can focus entirely on our Customers and our >>> Software >>> >> and not spend money or time configuring hardware, OS and other "low >>> level" >>> >> stuff that we (as application software guys) don't want to mess with. >>> There >>> >> are very real hard and soft monetary benefits to this. >>> >> >>> >> Or maybe when people say "expensive" they mean as compared to other >>> >> "cloud" offerings that are more along the lines of rented physical or >>> >> virtual machines. Yes, some of these can be cheap compared to GAE. >>> But >>> >> these are really apples-to-oranges comparisons when you consider all >>> the >>> >> things you need to provision a global, "utility-grade" >>> (aspirationally, >>> >> anyway) SaaS offering. >>> >> >>> >> So I guess this post is a long-winded way of me saying "GAE Expensive? >>> >> Really? What exactly do you mean by that? Compared to what?" >>> >> >>> >> On Monday, January 20, 2014 4:19:54 AM UTC-6, coto wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> We all should be surprised, because Google App Engine is very >>> expensive!! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:23:13 AM UTC-3, alex wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Why were you surprised? >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >> "Google App Engine" group. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an >>> >> email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> >>> >> To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. >>> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> > Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine/ >>> 8x7pHZI0XRo/unsubscribe. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> > google-appengi...@googlegroups.com. >>> > To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Google App Engine" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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