I only have to say that my company has spent ~$1300 monthly.
3 weeks ago we had high latency for 2 days, the only way to receive
assistance was paying $400 for premium support, and the answer of Google's
Support Team was: "Thanks, we just fixed the issue, it was in our end".
Basically, we are now are paying ~$1300 per month for servers, and
additionally, $400 for notifying Google they have issues with their
services. ("common sense says they have to pay us for this")
- Rodrigo Augosto (@coto <http://twitter.com/coto>)
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Jim <jeb62...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1970's? What on earth about my post made you think of the 1970's? My
> description of geographically redundant, web based applications? Please
> indeed.
>
> The link you provided is for a LAMP hosting service... basically what I
> described in my third scenario about. That's apples-vs-oranges as compared
> to GAE.
>
> I suggest you consult with the Application Architects where you work and
> politely ask them to describe the differences to you. Clearly nobody here
> is getting through to you and I don't have the time or the inclination.
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:35:13 AM UTC-6, Rafael Sanches wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Please, we're not in 1970 anymore. There is no argue that appengine is
>> the most expensive hosting on earth and possibly the universe.
>>
>> My company spend $4000 a month with appengine. We could host the same
>> service with $50 in a more powerful environment:
>> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/
>> rootserver-produktmatrix-ex<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hetzner.de%2Fen%2Fhosting%2Fproduktmatrix%2Frootserver-produktmatrix-ex&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHB4pohCO2ZKGcxoTG5sY0nc6pvDw>
>>
>> With $300 we could make it redundant and more reliable and faster than
>> appengine.
>> A dedicated server is also more reliable, because of appengine infamous
>> "hicupps" due to its scheduling system and instance boot time.
>> In one of my services I rent a rack with 20 spaces and it's filled with
>> only 10 severs. It means I can scale my servers with 10 more. That
>> configuration costs $1000.
>> Please, pay attention for 10 dedicated quad-core with 32GB of ram. How
>> much would you pay in appengine for that type of throughput? I did the
>> calculations: $60k.
>>
>> Please, it's incomparable price wise. There's no argue and let's not go
>> there :)
>>
>> thanks
>> rafa
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Jim <jeb6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen many variations of this statement, "Google App Engine is
>>> expensive!", and it always strikes me as a bit off. I supppose it depends
>>> on your perspective and your requirements.
>>>
>>> For the past three years I've been running a small start-up building a
>>> SaaS analytics application. For the prior 25 years or so I built
>>> enterprise apps for some well-known software houses. The last 12 years I
>>> was building SaaS-based software products serving top-tier global financial
>>> institutions. During that time I worked on projects where we built, from
>>> the ground up, 2 different web-based solutions which wound up serving
>>> tens-of-thousands of end-users and very large volumes of system-to-system
>>> (B2B type) transaction volumes.
>>>
>>> When we created our infrastructure for these systems we needed multiple
>>> geographically dispersed data centers, high levels of fault-tolerance
>>> within any given data center, n-tier architecture, secure systems, scalable
>>> databases and front-end servers, system, security and network monitoring
>>> and administration, etc. When you spec that all out from scratch, you will
>>> have a hard time doing it for less than several hundred thousand dollars
>>> capex with big ongoing opex expense. Any growth beyond your initial
>>> headroom will require additional capex expenditure and incremental ongoing
>>> opex.
>>>
>>> Depending on the profile of your application and the system load, at
>>> some point you will pass the threshold of it being cheaper to build and
>>> maintain your own equivalent infrastructure, but that threshold is very,
>>> very high. So it makes me think people who say GAE is 'expensive' are not
>>> making a comparison such as this. Maybe they don't really need everything
>>> that GAE offers.
>>>
>>> Or perhaps they are comparing GAE to other cloud offerings such as AWS?
>>> Amazon's pricing doesn't seem to be radically different than Google's to
>>> me, for similar services. And given that Amazon's PaaS solution is not yet
>>> as complete at GAE, I think that any complete appliation built on AWS is
>>> going to require some level of system-engineering. System engineers are
>>> not cheap. One of the things we like about GAE is that, at this point in
>>> our corporate evolution, we can focus entirely on our Customers and our
>>> Software and not spend money or time configuring hardware, OS and other
>>> "low level" stuff that we (as application software guys) don't want to mess
>>> with. There are very real hard and soft monetary benefits to this.
>>>
>>> Or maybe when people say "expensive" they mean as compared to other
>>> "cloud" offerings that are more along the lines of rented physical or
>>> virtual machines. Yes, some of these can be cheap compared to GAE. But
>>> these are really apples-to-oranges comparisons when you consider all the
>>> things you need to provision a global, "utility-grade" (aspirationally,
>>> anyway) SaaS offering.
>>>
>>> So I guess this post is a long-winded way of me saying "GAE Expensive?
>>> Really? What exactly do you mean by that? Compared to what?"
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 20, 2014 4:19:54 AM UTC-6, coto wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We all should be surprised, because Google App Engine is very
>>>> expensive!!
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:23:13 AM UTC-3, alex wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why were you surprised?
>>>>
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