Chris - with the improvements you're suggesting to Managed VMs (20 sec deploys, <1 sec instance startup time) - will it be recommended to use Managed VMs to serve frontend traffic? Right now they seem to be more targetted to backend processing because of the slow scaling.
If this is true, and you are targeting it to serve front end traffic, does that mean we'll be able to deploy Managed VMs to our default modules, perform traffic splitting, access the logging api's and realtime api's, etc? These are the things that have been traditionally missing from managed vms. On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 10:33:46 AM UTC-7, Chris Ramsdale wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:21 AM, troberti <tij...@firigames.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> What a flurry of activity. :) Great to see. >> >> I have been using GCP( App Engine + BigQuery) in total for over 5 years, >> so not new, but I have seen plenty of new users make mistakes so let me >> chime in a bit: >> >> On App Engine (and GCP) there are a lot of ways to approach a problem, >> with the consequence that is very easy to choose the wrong solution. There >> is actually a rather steep learning curve to just know what is available. >> >> This is a problem, because the differences between various solutions can >> result in an order of magnitude difference in costs/latency/complexity etc. >> I stopped counting the amount of times I have seen models with every >> property indexed, resulting in huge datastore costs. Or where someone tries >> to put tons of data in the Datastore while BigQuery would be a much better >> fit for the problem. Every time this happens, the new user ends up >> disappointed. So guiding new users in the right direction when starting out >> on GCP seems very important. >> >> I agree with a lot in Karl's post, and especially the Roadmap. It doesn't >> need to be about features, but big ticket items like Python 3, Java 8, SSL >> etc should be communicated. It doesn't have to be an explicit list >> somewhere, just a PM chiming in regularly should be good enough. >> >> Now back to App Engine: >> >> Like I said in my post on the other thread >> <https://cloud.google.com/appengine/forum/?place=msg%2Fgoogle-appengine%2FqTyc2E-0IXc%2FPxUzFMXhzjQJ>, >> >> the trend towards managed VMs worries me a bit. For us, >> zero-configuration/no-maintenance is not just another feature of App >> Engine, it is one of the most important ones! We want to write our programs >> and then keep them running for years (5+) without having to do *anything*. >> Some of our apps are running like this for years now, and I want to ensure >> that this stays possible in the future. >> > > Managed VMs represent a new hosting environment that brings with it a set > of feature benefits -- open source compatible runtimes, more CPU / memory > configurations, access to native resources such as a file system and > network stack. we'll be investing in this environment more and more over > the coming months (we're ripping docker out of the getting started flow, > getting deployment times to <20 secs, getting instance activation time to > <1 sec, adding scale to/from zero instances, etc.) that said, don't worry, > we'll absolutely keep your existing v1 apps running just as they have for > years. > > >> >> Glad to see the Docker fad go, but please don't replace it with something >> where I need to choose my "technology stack" in some way. Just provide a >> set of stable APIs instead so we can consider everything else an >> implementation detail for App Engine to worry about :) >> > > exactly. if anything, we're going to make those same APIs available from > other compute environments (e.g. Compute Engine and Container Engine). > > >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 8:31:47 AM UTC+2, Chris Ramsdale wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Vinny P <vinn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Katie, >>>> >>>> I think Karl's post hit a home run and I'm happy to see the positive >>>> response to his post. Let me just tack on a few items: >>>> >>>> >>>> *Managed VMs:* The development toolchain for Managed VMs can be a bit >>>> finicky. To be quite honest I have no idea how I got Managed VMs working >>>> on >>>> my laptop. Streamlining this would be a huge benefit to me, and probably a >>>> lot of first-timers. If you can convince one of the online IDE services to >>>> simplify creating Managed VM GAE apps, that would be super. >>>> >>>> For smaller or toy apps within Managed VMs: I shouldn't need to care >>>> about the Docker container running the application; I should be able to >>>> create an application using just Eclipse + Google Plugin, then be able to >>>> deploy straight to a Managed VM runtime *without* the intermediate >>>> step of having gcloud create and store a dockerfile >>>> <https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/managed-vms/tutorial/step2#dockerfile> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> We're removing the Docker toolchain from the mix and will be surfacing a >>> hosted build service that handles this on your behalf. Their toolchain is >>> simply unstable. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> *Firebase:* I'm glad that Google bought up Firebase - they have a lot >>>> of great ideas and a well-designed API. I'd like to see Firebase with the >>>> ability to use the Datastore and Cloud SQL directly, not just the regular >>>> Firebase DB. This would help with syncing information with server side >>>> systems. >>>> >>> >>> They have a great Dev UX and we're working to further integrate them >>> with Google Cloud Platform. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> *Stack Overflow:* IMO, the moderators at SO go overboard when locking >>>> questions. I often find interesting SO pages when I'm searching around, >>>> only to visit the page and find that the question is locked or that >>>> someone >>>> has deleted the page outright. At least with the mailing list I have an >>>> archive of all past questions and answers in my email account. I don't >>>> know >>>> how you plan on using SO going forward, but I would appreciate minimizing >>>> any occurrences of locked/deleted questions. >>>> >>> >>> Excellent feedback, and we'll discuss this internally. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> P.S. When you're giving out the support vouchers, please skip me. There >>>> are a number of far more deserving people in this thread. >>>> >>>> ----------------- >>>> -Vinny P >>>> Technology & Media Consultant >>>> Chicago, IL >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Katie Ball (Google Cloud Support) < >>>> kmrich...@google.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> My name is Katie, and I am on the Google Cloud Platform technical >>>>> support <http://cloud.google.com/support> team. >>>>> >>>>> This message is to Google Cloud Platform community members, especially >>>>> if you are newer to GCP. I would like to know what our team can do to >>>>> help >>>>> you have a better and more enjoyable experience during the first days on >>>>> GCP. >>>>> >>>>> Did you need technical support? If so, I’d like to hear all about it. >>>>> >>>>> I’d also like to know: >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> What did you find most difficult about the first-time user >>>>> experience? >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Where did you get stuck? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please reply to the group with your answers or any ideas you have on >>>>> how the technical support team can help new customers get familiar with >>>>> GCP. >>>>> >>>>> And as a thank you for the great ideas, we will be giving away support >>>>> coupons worth $450 (equivalent to 3 months of silver support) to 5 lucky >>>>> community members who post a response. 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