Hi everyone, We know that almost every developer has a need to send email and that the GAE Mail API hasn't been given the love it deservers. I am trying to make it better for everyone on Google Cloud. Please feel free to email me directly with your requirements and a bit more about your use cases.
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Kaan Soral <kaanso...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know whether I missed it, but we never learned why "exactly" Mail > was deprecated > > I wonder whether it was from a conflict of interest too, for example, it > bothered me that my emails were marked as "Promotional", while they were > actually "Social", in Gmail > > Anyway, that's why I also added the part about "investing some effort", as > you pointed out, there are things that can be improved > > Fyi, I would love a metric based quota too, similar to AWS's solution to > the issue, could even be more aggressive > > On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 5:38:16 PM UTC+3, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: >> >> How do you know that 80% of your emails sent with Google weren’t wasted? >> GAE never provided deliverability statistics of any sort. >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Kaan Soral <kaan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm with Luca here >>> >>> Using external services introduces new points of failures and introduces >>> new, edge complications that only arise when you get into things >>> >>> For example, on 10/18/16 I replied to this issue, afterwards, after the >>> mourning period, I ended up using AWS, the email routine I used for GAE was >>> too fast for AWS, I completely forgot about their throughput limitations, >>> 80% of my emails were wasted, a bad start to the Halloween period >>> >>> On this thread, we end up repeating our views of the issue, however, to >>> repeat my own view, I want GAE to be as independent as possible, instead of >>> spawning, supporting other cloud services, why not provide all basic >>> services in-house? >>> >>> For example, a Video/Live-Streaming solution from Google would be pretty >>> good, I like Zencoder, yet integration was a challenge, it's tooo expensive >>> for a startup >>> >>> Anyway, my point is, in-house is always better than external, survey us, >>> ask us what we need, invest some effort into building new things, I'm sure >>> Email will be on top of that list (I hope Video/Streaming is a runner-up, >>> in the age that we live in, we really need affordable and agile video >>> solutions too) >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 2:24:04 PM UTC+3, Bookingforce CTO wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello there, >>>> >>>> being CTO of a company that is betting on Google Infrastructure when >>>> I found out about the limitation to 100 recipients, at first I thought "ah, >>>> I have to increase that quota", then, after asking (twice) to support team, >>>> I felt like "what's wrong with GAE ?" >>>> >>>> The only fact that more than 100 emails is referred as "high volume" is >>>> almost disturbing... we are using GAE to build cloud applications that >>>> scale up using multiple instances but still we can't contact our customers >>>> via email if they are more than 100 ? If you want to prevent spam, bill >>>> each email, we may be willing to pay as much as we pay for other services. >>>> >>>> If you just don't want to offer a serious service about email, you >>>> should think to discontinue the Mail API, like this it makes no sense. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Luca >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+2, Nick (Cloud >>>> Platform Support) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The Public Issue Tracker thread brought our attention has gotten >>>>> tracked now, thanks to PK. We'll update it with any progress. >>>>> >>>>> Now, as much as I'm sure we all appreciate Jeff's kind offer, I don't >>>>> think it will be necessary to pay him $1000, since Cloud Platform >>>>> Community >>>>> Support are here to do a similar job at no cost. As said in other threads >>>>> on this topic, if anybody at any time has issues migrating from any >>>>> service >>>>> to any other, has questions about design patterns, has questions about the >>>>> use of our APIs or how to refactor their code, etc., this forum is the >>>>> perfect place for such higher-level discussion and we would be happy to >>>>> discuss in depth. >>>>> >>>>> We never want users to feel left alone, and asking a question once has >>>>> the benefit that all other users in a similar situation can read and learn >>>>> from the thread. This doesn't fit under the umbrella of "platform issues / >>>>> feature requests" (Public Issue Tracker) or "a specific error / stack >>>>> trace" (Stack Overflow), so it would be fine to post such threads in this >>>>> forum. >>>>> >>>>> As an additional, final comment, I'll say that we do pay close >>>>> attention to the requests for services / service improvements that users >>>>> bring forward, whether here or in the Public Issue Tracker. We've taken >>>>> the >>>>> feedback from many users on the Mail API and bulk sending and while we >>>>> don't promise any concrete action given this feedback, know that we have >>>>> taken it into account and we want to thank you for bringing up how you >>>>> view >>>>> things, what you'd like to see, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Nick >>>>> Cloud Platform Community Support >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 10:42:26 PM UTC-4, Jeff Schnitzer >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Since this thread keeps coming up… I’ll make you all an offer: For >>>>>> $1k I’ll migrate your GAE app to Sendgrid, Mailgun, or whatever other >>>>>> email >>>>>> service you want. Assuming your code isn’t spaghetti, it will probably >>>>>> take >>>>>> me an hour. It should take you about the same or less. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is sooo much kvetching about something that is so trivial to fix. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeff >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:27 AM, PK <p...@gae123.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 for Joshua’s comment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nick, wrt "We always encourage users to make use of the Public Issue >>>>>>> Tracker “ the issue is issue 10560 >>>>>>> <https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=10560> stuck >>>>>>> in state “New” for 2.5 years like 100s maybe thousands other issues in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> public tracker. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PK >>>>>>> p...@gae123.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Joshua Smith <mrjoshu...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nick, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know you are stuck in the apologist position, and there’s nothing >>>>>>> you can do about it, but come on… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is positively absurd that GAE doesn’t include any bulk email >>>>>>> capability. If you guys are concerned about spammers abusing the >>>>>>> service, >>>>>>> just charge a penny per email sent or something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it’s because google can’t figure out how to provide a reliable >>>>>>> email service, maybe call the team over at gmail, I hear they have some >>>>>>> experience in this area. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You will never convince GAE users that having to use a third-party >>>>>>> to send email is anything but a pathetic hack. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 10:55 AM, 'Nick (Cloud Platform Support)' via >>>>>>> Google App Engine <google-a...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey PK and Kaan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hear your concerns. I hope that I can moderate worries by saying >>>>>>> the following in regard to each of the points you brought up: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *1. Avoid paying for attachment bits through front-end* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While the GCS integration to Mail API attachments will be discussed >>>>>>> in the next point, there's another GCS solution here which is very >>>>>>> useful. >>>>>>> You can generate URLs to the attachment objects and merely embed these >>>>>>> URLs >>>>>>> in the email. This ultimately has the same transfer cost for the user's >>>>>>> machine as downloading from a mail server storing the attachment, but is >>>>>>> slightly different since you can recall the object at a later date. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *2. Feature requests for GCS integration to Mail API* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We always encourage users to make use of the Public Issue Tracker >>>>>>> <https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list> to make any >>>>>>> feature requests that they think of. We track them and consider them, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> this is the best way to ensure that we know about it in a formal manner >>>>>>> rather than just posting in a discussion thread. We look forward to all >>>>>>> feature requests because it means users are working on the platform and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *3. Platform Unity* >>>>>>> We definitely recognize that the power of the platform comes from >>>>>>> its unity and internal organization. The various services combine to >>>>>>> create >>>>>>> an ecosystem where development can rapidly integrate many capabilities >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> produce powerful apps. Because we understand that developers depend on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> services for app performance, we offer a minimum 1 year announcement >>>>>>> before >>>>>>> deprecation, as you can read in the Cloud Platform Terms of Service >>>>>>> <https://cloud.google.com/terms/>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We also do our best during any deprecation period to provide support >>>>>>> and migration advice to developers. Community Support is a resource for >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> developers, so please don't hesitate to ask us any questions or open >>>>>>> discussions of architecture, design, etc. We can't prevent the web or >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> services from changing over time, as all things must, but we can do our >>>>>>> best to provide comprehensive support for users during these changes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the moment, everything said above and elsewhere about the Mail >>>>>>> API and Sendgrid remains good advice. Sendgrid is simply far better >>>>>>> suited >>>>>>> to bulk messages, while the Mail API can be used effectively for >>>>>>> administrative emails such as a password reset system, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As always, let us know your thoughts or if you have any further >>>>>>> questions! We'll be happy to help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nick >>>>>>> Cloud Platform Community Support >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 6:39:17 PM UTC-4, Kaan Soral wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good thing we are locked-in for life to App Engine. 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