OK that makes sense. Maybe we need a project that's in between incubator and GWT, something that has regular releases and uses polished content from the incubator but content that's not so polished that it would go into GWT. While what's in the incubator is a work in progress, it is still a) much faster then what the other libraries offer, b) mostly cleaner and better written then the other libraries, c) gives people an idea of where GWT is headed.
While making custom widgets is easy in GWT, there is a lot of overlap in what people need and there is usually a rich suite of widgets that people would like out of the box. It's not very easy to pick up GWT and dive in making great and interactive apps. There's a lot of group work that needs to be done to build rich widgets. It seems a waste that this group work is done on every GWT project by all the various organizations that use GWT. I know that the GWT team said GWT was meant to be pretty low level and they wanted the community to build on top of that, but it seems that the community is not delivering. I know Bruce mentioned that better widgets are on the agenda, so I don't know.... Regards, Arthur Kalmenson On Oct 10, 4:36 pm, "Isaac Truett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We don't want people to be afraid of the Incubator, but we do want them to > be cautious. It isn't a library per se, but a workshop for ideas. Things in > the Incubator may be half finished or in the middle of refurbishing at any > given time. It's an environment where you may have to get your hands dirty. > It's not something that all GWT users will have the patience or risk > tolerance for. > Improving the contents of the Incubator is, of course, important. That's > what it's there for. But I would expect that as things are "cleaned up" > they'll be promoted to the main GWT project or spun off into separate > libraries. What's left in the Incubator will always be works-in-progress. > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Arthur Kalmenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > There was some discussion on the IRC channel about this, and I figured > > I'd put it up for everyone here. > > > I think that the incubator has a lot of useful things (FooBundle, > > CssResource, DatePicker), a lot of great ideas (Declarative UI) and > > some not so great things (PagingScrollTable). The incubator has a lot > > of potential, it just needs some polish and promotion. I think it > > needs the following: > > > 1. Better and nicer examples of widgets and use of some nice CSS (just > > use one of the GWT themes). > > 2. Clean up the existing widgets and make them easier to use. > > 3. A showcase to show off all these widgets and make them accessible > > like the main GWT showcase. > > 4. Promoting incubator as a great resource on the regular GWT group > > and on the main GWT site. > > > As it stands right now, few people know about the incubator and those > > that do are usually scared away. Most people end up going to widget > > libraries like ExtGWT and others. Just about every widget library I've > > seen is poorly done and ends up giving GWT a really bad name (ExtGWT > > especially). I think the incubator can offer a much better and cleaner > > widget library and components, but it needs to be cleaned up and > > promoted so more people contribute and give feedback. > > > What do you think? > > > Regards, > > Arthur Kalmenson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit-Contributors -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
