Hi Alex, How one quotes informatics work is often discussed at AMIA and AMIA-CRI in hallways about each others business model successes/failures but probably not easily amenable to resolution during the hackathon.
That said, I can see concrete work we need to do for this contract: - For right now, we listed mini sentinel as an hourly effort an places put in their price quotes per hour. - I was talking with Bob Greenlee and Jim McClay about how we set prices, largely hourly, for GPC work to answer queries, conduct analysis etc last week. Right now, that’s the model I see in the short term (next couple years) outside % effort we might budget for phase 2 at sites. I mainly need to know from the PI’s can they take work that way hourly. If yes, what the rates would be for GPC work for non-profit right now (will tackle for profit later) Then we need to talk about is that best done where we take credit cards here in KC and then send you checks monthly on subcontracts or something else to route the money around efficiently. I think the investigator and PCORI would want the convenience of one credit card transaction. Steve probably just needs to check with everybody’s finance types for their informatics sections. Russ On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Alex Bokov <bo...@uthscsa.edu<mailto:bo...@uthscsa.edu>> wrote: Presumably, each site frequently has to estimate how many FTEs it will take to complete a given task. For already-funded projects, this is important for setting realistic dates for project milestones. For projects where you are applying for funding (e.g. phase-2, and maybe someday MiniSentinel subcontracts) this becomes even more important because how accurately you price your team's effort determines whether or not you end up over-committed and under-funded should the grant get approved. PIs from a biology/clinical background don't always understand this (though some do), and it falls to those who do understand the infrastructure to help keep their expectations realistic, preferably before the grant budget is even written. This is why I'm curious to know what methods people us to estimate effort for implementing new features in their sites' data warehouses. The level of operational detail involved in making good estimates places this topic in the technical area rather than the steering/governance area. On 11/24/2014 01:48 PM, Dan Connolly wrote: Alex, Angela, I see you suggested "Comparing notes on doing time-estimates for grants and contracts" as an item on the HackathonTwo agenda<https://informatics.gpcnetwork.org/trac/Project/wiki/HackathonTwo#agenda>, under Infrastructure. The other suggestions you made there are straightforward, but I don't think I understand this one. Care to elaborate? Is it more of a steering/governance topic? -- Dan _______________________________________________ Gpc-dev mailing list Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> http://listserv.kumc.edu/mailman/listinfo/gpc-dev Russ Waitman, PhD Director of Medical Informatics Assistant Vice Chancellor for Enterprise Analytics Associate Professor, Department of Internal Medicine University of Kansas Medical Center, Kansas City, Kansas 913-945-7087 (office) rwait...@kumc.edu<mailto:rwait...@kumc.edu> http://www.kumc.edu/ea-mi/ http://informatics.kumc.edu<http://informatics.kumc.edu/> http://informatics.gpcnetwork.org – a PCORNet collaborative
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