On 7/3/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >>If news, ideas, viewpoints etc are made known to the readers, viewers or
> listeners through a medium then it can not constitute a public sphere, even
> when there is a public who gather around that medium however discretely in
> space and time.
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> It may not be the case if you take an Andersnian position and tries to look
> at nation as a constituted public sphere. And in the vein of McLuhan, can't
> utter "Medium is the message and massage"..
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> the wonderful thing about Habermasian public sphere is that it assumes an
> ideal *space for freedom of expression.* the medium itself need not, but
> the way it extend human senses does the magic, perhaps
>


Renju,'
It would also be worth noting that Habermas himself has critiqued the very
concept of "public sphere" in his work structural tranformation of public
sphere. In one of the last chapter of this work on "Transformation of Public
Sphere's Political Function", he is excplicit not only about the limits
of the term but how the *manipulated public sphere is taken over by  an
acclamation-prone mood that predominates and result is that an opinion
climate subsumes public opinions.  (* Structural Transformation of Public
Sphere, Polity Press, 1989)
Habermas also points to the penetration of state and society with each other
that brings forth a *middle sphere of semipublic*. (P231, ibid)  The
State-aligned NGOs are succesful in establishing such semi public spheres
were the *urgency to consensus and immediacy to conclude on areas which
contravene the entreched understanding* whether it be science, politics,
secularism or any sort of trivia.

Habermas further states that the politically influential representatives of
cultural and religious forces the entreching of private interests in the
face of the 'neomercantilism" which leads to *refedualization".* *The
apparently progressives in society in the wake of a emergent popular radical
politics retreats to the refedualize the public sphere*. Habermas concerns
perhaps with the delimits and contravening forces within the modernity.
But let us also think critically how the self-proclaimed semi public spheres
are shaped in contexts familiar to us.

*Public Sphere* from the inception of the term like Communism is a *social
fantasy- and *hence* ahistorica*l. But like the impulsivity of historical
materialism to locate Communism outside history, Habermas suitably finds a
locale and period for claiming the historical specificity. Like the several
'idealized' *semi public spheres of our times, we find the supposedly 'ideal
space' as discriminatory*. Habermas and *all those who still adores* the
fantasy of 'public sphere" never saw or rather failed *to see the exclusion
of different voices - -  woman, dalit, muslim, sexual minorities- minoirty
voices with a difference*.


damodar


PS: am also compelled go think of a kerala model public sphere, which could
be artificially correct but politically wrong. But now; later.



(let me rethink . this s just a first response.

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