Sorry i sent off that half-written piece, without knowing.. Dileep ,
You ignore certain critical traditions and go on talking about Sathyagraha and Panchayathi Raj, which is a talk that started some sixty years ago.. and when some others bring attention to some alternate ways of thinking about the same subject, you turn the tables on them and project your own problems into them? Can you please follow your own advice about critical debate, and tell me what makes you think i am intolerant. I was just drawing attention to the fact that Venugopal's post with so much informatin on gandhi was being ignored, and then connecting it to the fact that caste was not brought into the discussion, also .. And i was not asking the seminar to "mention" Chengara. I was referring to the point that in talking about Gandhi, you cannot forget the issue of caste, which had come alive after the Chengara issue.. Who is Ajay Skaria? I saw similarities in the seminar on Gandhi that happened in Hyderabad, with people like Ajay Skaria.. and in the report you gave.. that is why i mentioned him. and you are the one who seems to be angry.. jenny 2. Jenny, > on post Chengara scenario, there ofcourse were serius deliberations in the > session. > ( why are you so intolerent of a debate where about thirty people met -- > everybody except two or three were nonacademicians-- and had a live > discussion on certain important political issues ? who is Ajay Skaria? Why > do you transfer such anger to this sphere?) > > Nizar observed that Chengara struggle is Gandhian in nature due to the > readiness to self injury but the present day state and civil society is more > brutal than the British. It doesn't mind even if the > struggling people die. Thus here government is resorting to Gandhian > method , waiting patiently for the people to change ther mind > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:25 AM, jenny rowena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> ( I really don't understand why people exhort to refrain from >> engaging in critical debates and be satisfied with chanting certain >> manthras.While somebody claim that everything is said and done on certain >> topics, >> and everybody should content with uncritical repetition of >> certain 'critical' traditions... and show intolerence toward all >> differences, >> and even worse, brand everybody referring to certain names as >> reactionaries... I simply feel like ignoring it.) >> > >> > > You ignore certain critical traditions and go on talking about Sathyagraha > and Panchayathi Raj, which is a talk that started some sixty years ago.. > and when some others bring attention to some alternate ways of thinking > about the same subject, you turn the tables on them and project your > own problems into them? > > 1.*Really? and modern?? > what kind of discussions take place there in GAndhi's (savarna) raj? > * > >> > > >> Ranju, >> This is as rediculous as retorting "Really?Modern?" to somebody who say >> Hindu fundamentalism is modern not, traditional!! >> >> the point was, panchayat is a state, umpire, arbitrar, whihc works on >> hierarchy. >> Gandhi does not deny decision making within it . Its not that Gandhi stick >> to statelessness. >> Its only that his state is small. >> >> The moment one come across "modern" or "discussion' why should some >> (positive) values be ascribed to it? >> >> 2. Jenny, >> on post Chengara scenario, there ofcourse were serius deliberations in the >> session. >> ( why are you so intolerent of a debate where about thirty people met -- >> everybody except two or three were nonacademicians-- and had a live >> discussion on certain important political issues ? who is Ajay Skaria? Why >> do you transfer such anger to this sphere?) >> >> Nizar observed that Chengara struggle is Gandhian in nature due to the >> readiness to self injury but the present day state and civil society is more >> brutal than the British. It doesn't mind even if the >> struggling people die. Thus here government is resorting to Gandhian >> method , waiting patiently for the people to change ther mind !! >> >> >> Can you please follow your own advice about critical debate, and tell me >> what makes you think i am intolerant. >> > When there is a report on a seminar with no reference to the issue of > Caste, and there is a cliched debate > > >> >> >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
