Interesting news . In the 1950s where the big bang theory got wide spread recognition, the then Pope declared in a statement that we agree to the big bang theory and god is behind this bing bang explosion . Here what is important, he accepted it. Mainly because science has proved it with facts . Darwin's evolution is also a scientific theory which cannot be rejected by even those who believe in creation . I would say that Christianity became more progressive with time . And i see that a sophisticated form of christinaity is better than any other religion . regards Sreenivasan V P Bangalore
________________________________ From: Sukla Sen <sukla....@gmail.com> To: progressive-interactions <progressive-interacti...@googlegroups.com>; "india-un...@yahoogroups.com" <india-un...@yahoogroups.com>; indiathinkersnet <indiathinkers...@yahoogroups.com>; greenyouth <greenyouth@googlegroups.com>; greenleft_discussion <greenleft_discuss...@yahoogroups.com>; Free Binayak Sen <free-binayak...@googlegroups.com>; peoples media <mediainitiat...@yahoogroups.co.in>; Samuhik Khoj <samuhik-k...@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2013 10:56 PM Subject: [GreenYouth] John Paul II Declares Evolution to be Fact! Received from another group. Sukla http://biblelight.net/darwin.htm Pope John Paul II Declares Evolution to be Fact! ________________________________ Pope John Paul II, on the 23rd of October, 1996, while speaking to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences plenary session at the Vatican, declared the evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin to be fact, tacitly acknowledging that man evolved from the apes, and reducing the biblical account of Genesis to that of mere fable! >TO ACADEMICIANS: TRUTH CANNOT CONTRADICT TRUTH >>VATICAN CITY, OCT 23, 1996 (VIS) - In a Message made public today to the >>members of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, meeting this week in the >>Vatican in plenary session, the Holy Father recalled that Pope Pius XI, who >>restored this academy in 1936, called this group of scholars "the Church's >>'scientific senate'" and asked them "to serve the truth." >>The Pope expressed delight on the plenary's theme on the origin of life and >>evolution, "a basic theme which greatly interests the Church, as Revelation >>contains, for its part, teachings concerning the nature and origins of man." >>If the scientifically-reached conclusions and those contained in Revelation >>on the origin of life seem to counter each other, he said, "in what direction >>should we seek their solution? We know in effect that truth cannot contradict >>truth." >>John Paul II, noting the academy's "reflection on science at the dawn of the >>third millennium," observed that "in the domain of inanimate and animate >>nature, the evolution of science and its applications make new questions >>arise. The Church can grasp their scope all the better as she knows their >>basic aspects." >>He pointed to the Church's magisterium on the question of the origin of life >>and evolution, citing in particular Pius XII's 1950 Encyclical "Humani >>Generis" and the conciliar Constitution "Gaudium et Spes." >>The Pope drew the academicians' attention to "the need for a correct >>interpretation of the inspired word, of a rigorous hermeneutics. It is >>fitting to set forth well the limits of the meaning proper to Scripture, >>rejecting undue interpretations which make it say what it does not have the >>intention of saying." >>"'Humani Generis'," he stated, "considered the doctrine of 'evolutionism' as >>a serious hypothesis, worthy of a more deeply studied investigation and >>reflection on a par with the opposite hypothesis. ... Today, more than a half >>century after this encyclical, new knowledge leads us to recognize in the >>theory of evolution more than a hypothesis. ... The convergence, neither >>sought nor induced, of results of work done independently one from the other, >>constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory." >>He continued: "The elaboration of a theory such as that of evolution, while >>obeying the exigency of homogeneity with the data of observation, borrows >>certain ideas from the philosophy of nature. To tell the truth, more than the >>theory of evolution, one must speak of the theories of evolution. ... There >>are thus materialistic and reductionist readings and spiritual readings." >>"The magisterium of the Church is directly interested in the question of >>evolution because this touches upon the concept of man, ... created in the >>image and likeness of God. ... Pius XII underlined this essential point: 'if >>the origin of the human body is sought in living matter which existed before >>it, the spiritual soul is directly created by God.' Consequently, the >>theories of evolution which, as a result of the philosophies which inspire >>them, consider the spirit as emerging from forces of living matter or as a >>simple epiphenomenon of this matter, are incompatible with the truth about >>man. They are moreover incapable of laying the foundation for the dignity of >>the person." >>"Consideration of the method used in diverse orders of knowledge allows for >>the concordance of two points of view which seem irreconcilable. The sciences >>of observation describe and measure with ever greater precision the multiple >>manifestations of life and place them on a timeline. The moment of passing >>over to the spiritual is not the object of an observation of this type, which >>can nevertheless reveal, on an experimental level, a series of very useful >>signs about the specificity of the human being. But the experience of >>metaphysical knowledge, of the awareness of self and of its reflexive nature, >>that of the moral conscience, that of liberty, or still yet the aesthetic and >>religious experience, are within the competence of philosophical analysis and >>reflection, while theology extracts from it the final meaning according to >>the Creator's designs." >> >>MESS/ORIGIN LIFE:EVOLUTION/ACAD VIS 961023 (660) >The Full Text of John Paul II's comments on evolution online at New Advent, a >Roman Catholic web page. (Note that my comments below are keyed to the >original official Vatican press release shown above, not this apparently >complete translation of the Pope's remarks, which were delivered in French.) >I will address just a few key quotes of John Paul II that were mentioned in >the above October 23rd, 1996 Vatican Information Service press release, >(article N.182). >To begin with, in the second paragraph, two sources of "truth" are mentioned, >one being the conclusions of modern science, and the other being Revelation of >truth from scripture or the church. The Pope stated that >"We know in effect that the truth cannot contradict the truth." >(This is a quote from PROVIDENTISSIMUS DEUS, Paragraph 23). >What the Pope has done, as you will see, is elevate Darwinian evolutionary >theory to that of undeniable scientific fact, or truth. He then draws the >conclusion that since evolution is indeed the truth, the Catholic Church's >interpretation of the biblical account of Genesis cannot contradict this now >proven and accepted fact of evolution, and so church teachings must >consequently be re-evaluated and amended. The Catholic church has faced this >sort of predicament before. >The Pope probably sees parallels between Darwin's theory and the astronomical >discoveries of Galileo. In 1632, as a result of his scientific observations, >Galileo published a book in which he defended the Copernican theory of a >sun-centered solar system. Galileo's "Dialogue on the Great World Systems" was >swiftly condemned by Pope Urban VIII, because the church believed and taught >that the earth was the center of the universe. Galileo was made to recant his >heretical opinions and his book was banned by the church for two-hundred >years. It is a classic example of church dogma suppressing scientific truth. >Here is a Catholic view of The Galileo Affair online at EWTN. >Recently (1979) the Pontifical Academy of Sciences reconsidered the Galileo >matter, with Pope John Paul II then acknowledging that the church erred in >it's condemning the factual astronomical discoveries of Galileo. So the Pope >probably saw a similar fiasco brewing between biblical creationism and >evolutionary science. While the astronomical sciences have proved beyond a >shadow of a doubt that the earth does indeed revolve around the Sun, the case >for evolutionary science has never been proven to be anything but hypothesis, >which is to say it is nothing more than speculation. The cases are really >quite different, but apparently that is not the opinion of John Paul II. >In the 5th paragraph of the Vatican press release, the Pope points out- >"the need for a correct interpretation of the inspired word, of a rigorous >hermeneutics. It is fitting to set forth well the limits of the meaning proper >to scripture, rejecting undue interpretations which make it say what it does >not have the intention of saying." >The Pope is saying that he is abandoning what he feels is an untenable and >"undue" interpretation of the Bible, namely that God created the entire >universe, to include man, in a mere 6 days, and he is adopting instead the >process of Darwinian evolution which proposes man evolved over millions of >years from the apes. >Note with care what is stated in the 6th paragraph of the Vatican press >release. Pope John Paul II says- >" new knowledge leads us to recognize in the theory of evolution more than a >hypothesis." >Either evolution is theory (hypothesis) or it is fact, there is no middle >ground with respect to the origin of man. Either God created man directly from >the dust of the earth or He didn't. It is just that simple. The Pope in the >above sentence has just declared evolution to be a fact, and in the process he >dismissed the biblical account of Genesis as fable. >In the 6th paragraph of the above Vatican press release, an encyclical from >Pope Pius XII, HUMANI GENERIS, is summarized and appealed to for support by >John Paul II - >"Humani Generis'," he stated, "considered the doctrine of 'evolutionism' as a >serious hypothesis, worthy of a more deeply studied investigation and >reflection on a par with the opposite hypothesis." (He is commenting on >paragraph 36 of the encyclical) >In this summary of Humani Generis, John Paul II has just reduced the biblical >six day creation (the opposite hypothesis) to mere theory, and elevated >evolutionary science to be on a par with it as an equal possibility to be >considered! And that is indeed a correct assessment of what Pius XII said in >his encyclical. >Continuing, in the 8th paragraph of the Vatican press release, John Paul II >now quotes the encyclical HUMANI GENERIS (see paragraph 36) - >"if the origin of the human body is sought in living matter which existed >before it, the spiritual soul is directly created by God." >So, as Pius XII explains it, if man did evolve, the same is not true of the >soul. That, he claims, God created directly and put into man. Man himself >though, is presumed to have evolved from "pre-existing living matter", rather >than being created by God in one day from the dust of the earth. What Pius XII >meant by that is that man evolved from the apes in accord with Darwinian >theory! >What a predicament!! What an embarrassment for Christianity! At a time when >the Protestant church in America is fighting to re-introduce the teaching of >creationism into the public schools, Pope John Paul II stuns the world and >declares Darwin was right after all, and man has descended from the apes! He >is dismissing Genesis as fable and actually accepting Darwin's Origin of the >Species as fact! Absolutely amazing! >1 Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding >profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: >>1 Tim 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. > >________________________________ > >Should you wish to do some further investigating, here are the documents that >are referred to by the Pope in his remarks. They are available online at - > HUMANI GENERIS - The Encyclical of Pope Pius XII Concerning Some False > Opinions Threatening to Undermine the Foundations of Catholic Doctrine, > August 12, 1950. > GAUDIUM ET SPES - The Pastoral Constitution On the Church in the Modern > World, Promulgated by His Holiness, Pope Paul VI on December 7, 1965. > PROVIDENTISSIMUS DEUS - Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII on the Study of Holy > Scripture, November 18, 1893. (See paragraph #23 in particular) > >________________________________ > >In addition, here is a tract called Adam, Eve and Evolution online at >Catholic Answers, that further explains the Catholic acceptance of Darwinian >evolution. Take special note of the 11th paragraph: >Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows >for the possibility that man's body developed from previous biological forms >(under God's guidance), but it insists on the special creation of his soul. > >________________________________ > >The complete article is available from Time Magazine. > >________________________________ > >The Great Translation Debate >Something of a debate is swirling around what the Pope actually said, or meant >to say. >The contested passage is quoted here- >Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical, new >knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a >hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively >accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields >of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results >of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument >in favor of this theory. >The debate is whether or not the Pope said "the theory of evolution as more >than a hypothesis" or "the theory of evolution as more than one hypothesis". >The original French text of the crucial sentence is presented at the New >Advent site listed near the top for those who understand it. Some Catholics >are scrambling to interpret the Pope's remarks to say that he was merely >acknowledging multiple theories of evolution, hence the "more than one >hypothesis". However, in context, the Pope is quite clear in his endorsement >of evolution as fact. Let me repeat his statement with my notations- >Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical, new >knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution [singular >theory] as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory >[of evolution, singular theory] has been progressively accepted by >researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. >The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that >was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of >this theory [of evolution, singular theory]. >The context of the paragraph clearly proposes that various fields of >scientific knowledge are converging in support of Darwinian evolution as the >mechanism of creation, and the Pope recognizes this convergence of scientific >evidence to significantly favor evolution, such that he at least, no longer >considers evolution to be just a hypothesis, but rather he accepts it to be >fact. >See also- > Evolution: What the Pope Said by James Aiken, at Nazareth Resource Library. >It would seem that Catholics would rather debate this among themselves, >leaving the issue unresolved, rather than ask the Pope for clarification on >the issue. Perhaps they feel it is better if he simply remains silent rather >than explain and potentially exacerbate the problem by removing all doubt >about what he really meant to say. > >________________________________ > >UPDATE: >Pope Benedict XVI: >" ... My predecessors Pope Pius XII and Pope John Paul II noted that there is >no opposition between faith’s understanding of creation and the evidence of >the empirical sciences. ..." >Source: ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI TO MEMBERS OF THE PONTIFICAL >ACADEMY OF SCIENCES ON THE OCCASION OF THEIR PLENARY ASSEMBLY, Clementine >Hall, Friday, 31 October 2008. >Evolution appears to be a reality favored by many scientific proofs. >... Currently, I see in Germany, but also in the United States, a somewhat >fierce debate raging between so-called "creationism" and evolutionism, >presented as though they were mutually exclusive alternatives: those who >believe in the Creator would not be able to conceive of evolution, and those >who instead support evolution would have to exclude God. This antithesis is >absurd because, on the one hand, there are so many scientific proofs in favour >of evolution which appears to be a reality we can see and which enriches our >knowledge of life and being as such. But on the other, the doctrine of >evolution does not answer every query, especially the great philosophical >question: where does everything come from? And how did everything start which >ultimately led to man? I believe this is of the utmost importance. ... >Source: MEETING OF THE HOLY FATHER BENEDICT XVI WITH THE CLERGY OF THE >DIOCESES OF BELLUNO-FELTRE AND TREVISO,Church of St Justin Martyr, Auronzo di >Cadore, Tuesday, 24 July 2007. > >________________________________ > >Apparently most Roman Catholic schools have taught evolution pretty much as >fact since Pope Pius XII's encyclical HUMANI GENERIS in 1950. I even have a >Catholic acquaintance who confirms that he was taught evolution as fact by >Jesuits while in a Catholic school, so to most Catholics the Pope's remarks >probably come as no great surprise. >So can the Catholic accept evolution? Is it compatible with the Bible? Could >the Pope be right about evolution? Please continue on to my article Did God >create the world through Evolution? ________________________________ ,_._,___ -- Peace Is Doable -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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