Dear friends, think of one thing : the scores came late after the melodies. Solesmes has invented some new notation like episemes. Just take a look at the difference in the Graduale Triplex between the Solesmes "neumes" and the ones from St Gall !
This is matter of gregorian notation history. Take a look at the vatican graduale editions : no punctum morum no episemes. Look at the latest monasticum antiphonarium : no punctum morum no episemes. Those signs are not the "original" signs of a score : they are only helps because at first, gregorian was transmit by singing it only. No books. But we do not have the records of this. So came the scores, first without any line, then came the lines, and so on. The well known "Solesmes' method" is based on the episemes the 2/3 count. But it has never been used at Solesmes. Because the episeme is only a help for the beginners. Look at Credo III : episemes are against the latin accent except in "Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum". But the text is the based of gregorian, not the episemes which did not exist until XXth century. Then after, the list of the piece come from the Ordo Cantus in Missae, not from Solesmes. Since there, you can use an old vatican edition of the graduale to find out the scores and sing them in the Novus Ordo Missae. The texts are not copyright by solesmes and in the Graduale, there are no translation. So anyone can make a GABC file and run it to obtain a PDF score without any copyright problem cause there are no copyright on melodies and texts. Only on episemes and puncta mora. UdP, Boris Le 19 févr. 2013 à 14:52, Pierre Couderc <[email protected]> a écrit : > Mmm, Boris, > I am not sure you are in the good way. I think that you cannot remove all > puncta mora and hope to get a correct score. > The copyright is on a book itself according to usual laws (one for each > country), copyright in US, "droits d'auteur" in France. > In this case the copyright is from SA La Froidfontaine (which is under > dependency of Solesmes Abbey). > More over, an "omnia jura vindicabuntur" clause is added by Desclée, but > I do not think it changes something. > According to usual laws, I think that you may not reproduce a book, elements > of a book, of any work "derived" from the book, without author agreement. > This implies a few things : > - you may reproduce with the agreement of the author. I do not know their > policy about that. > - you may reproduce works from older editions that are in public domain. > - you may even freely reproduce Saint-Gall neumes for non-commercial > purposes... > - you may too make a personal work based on old edition of graduale and your > interpretation of Saint-Gall neumes... > > I think that a gabc data base of 1974 graduale is vital, and that the first > thing to do is to ask the position of SA La Froidfontaine about it. > But I suppose that it has soon been done...? > > In Christo > Pierre > > > Le 19/02/2013 12:41, Boris Maire a écrit : >> Hi all, >> >> about 1974 graduale, the copyright is on "rhythmics signis", not on melody. >> >> So, keep off all episema and points and you can publish the pdf scores, as >> in the vatican version. >> >> UdP, >> Boris >> >> Le 19 févr. 2013 à 12:30, Laércio Benedito Sivali de Sousa >> <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >>> Great job, Olivier! >>> >>> Just two questions: >>> >>> 1. The 1974 edition of Graduale Romanum is copyrighted, isn't it? I think >>> there will be no problem in publishing the GABC source files, but >>> publishing the typeset PDF files without Solesmes' permission may be a >>> copyright violation. >>> >>> 2. Will you include also scores from Graduale Simplex? This is also >>> copyrighted, so the same concerns in question 1 apply here, too. >>> >>> Keep the good work! >>> >>> CANTATE DOMINO CANTICUM NOVUM >>> QUIA MIRABILIA FECIT >>> >>> Laércio Benedito Sivali de Sousa >>> Orientador de Informática >>> EM "Prof. Eulálio Gruppi" >>> Mogi das Cruzes - SP >>> Membro da Comissão do ProInfo >>> da Equipe de Orientadores de Informática >>> >>> >>> 2013/2/19 Olivier Berten <[email protected]> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Here comes a first preview of a database of gregorian tunes. It’s >>> meant to be merged with The Caecilia Project (since it’s where most of >>> the content comes from) but the developement is still in a very early >>> stage. I would call it pre-alpha as it’s still far from being feature >>> complete and there are still a lot of open questions. >>> >>> But since the developement is going pretty slowly and the current >>> state of the project might already be useful for some people, I >>> decided to not wait any more for making it half-public. >>> >>> Don't publicize it too much as the address is meant to change but I'd >>> would love comments and suggestions about its useability. Please have >>> a look at the Todo page. And if you want to help, be my guest ;-) >>> >>> http://test.selapa.net/gregobase/ >>> >>> Yours, >>> >>> Olivier >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gregorio-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gregorio-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gregorio-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users > > _______________________________________________ > Gregorio-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/gregorio-users
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