I guess I didn't do a good job of just sending to the IESG.  Sorry for
the spam...

Brian


On 10/14/15 4:23 PM, Brian Haberman wrote:
> I dropped the distribution to just the IESG for this response...
> 
> On 10/13/15 10:06 PM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote:
>> Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-grow-bmp-15: Discuss
>>
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>>
>>
>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
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>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> DISCUSS:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> The statements on authenticated access and confidentiality are helpful,
>> but this is a new protocol and should not start out with the security
>> property levels of the current BGP deployments.  Efforts have been made
>> to publish RFCs to fix BGP security and the vulnerabilities have been
>> published - even in the Washington Post.  I'd like to see more security
>> required for the properties mentioned to prevent active and passive
>> attacks getting dumps of the BGP data, which was not previously
>> available.  If this is not possible per the suggestions below, please
>> explain why.  If there is a good reason, it would be helpful to remove
>> the text that says its okay to leave security out because BGP isn't
>> secure and just include the security considerations.
>>
>> Now for specifics:
>>
>> 1. In the Security considerations, it is not only a passive attacker, but
>> also an active one that could gain access to the session if it is not
>> encrypted (protected for confidentiality).  An active attacker might
>> change routes causing network disruption.  A passive attacker might
>> better understand the possible paths to an AS, assisting with a more
>> effective DDoS attack.  The latter point is important to consider in the
>> first paragraph of this section that currently says,
>>   "although it's hard to consider the content of BGP routes in the
>>    public Internet to be confidential," 
>>
>> I think this is a bit of an overstatement as the exact routes and paths
>> are not published for each router and could be used for DoS attacks - for
>> example taking out one or more paths to a network AS.
>>
>> What I am suggesting for #1 is a simple text change to address the fuller
>> set of security considerations.
>> Change from:
>>    Unless a transport that provides confidentiality is used,
>>    a passive attacker could gain access to BMP data in flight. 
>> To:
>>    Unless a transport that provides confidentiality is used,
>>    a passive or active attacker could gain access to or tamper the BMP
>> data in flight. 
>>
> 
> Tampering with BMP data will not impact the BGP routing infrastructure.
> BMP does not have the ability to modify the BGP routes processed by a
> router. It is designed to mirror information to a collector so that the
> collector does not have to use archaic techniques like screen scraping
> to monitor BGP behavior. An active attack that tampers with the BMP data
> will simply make services like BGP mirrors show incorrect data and not
> actually influence BGP routing operation.
> 
> Regards,
> Brian
> 
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