Hi Thomas, Paolo

Completely agree as well! If merged, what should we do with the existing 
Timestamp field? Remove it or just deprecate and zero-fill it?

Maxence
----- Mail original -----
De: "Paolo Lucente" <[email protected]>
À: "Thomas Graf" <[email protected]>, "draft-ietf-grow-bmp-tlv authors" 
<[email protected]>, "draft-younsi-grow-bmp-snts 
authors" <[email protected]>
Cc: "grow" <[email protected]>
Envoyé: Dimanche 16 Novembre 2025 21:26:05
Objet: [GROW] Re: draft-ietf-grow-bmp-tlv, draft-younsi-grow-bmp-snts, 
timestamps

Hi Thomas,

Entirely with you on removing section 6 of draft-ietf-grow-bmp-tlv-19
merging the documents. +1

Paolo


On 7/11/25 00:17, [email protected] wrote:
> Dear Paolo, Maxence and co-authors,
>
> Thanks for raising on the last slide at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/124/materials/slides-124-grow-bmp-v2-tlv-support-01
>  
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/124/materials/slides-124-grow-bmp-v2-tlv-support-01>,
>  the question
>
> Shall we merge draft-younsi-grow-bmp-snts?
>
> At its current stage, if been merged in the same document, we would have
> in BMPv4 implementation two possible variants. A BMPv4 per peer header
> carrying either the trigger or export timestamp or/and carry additional
> trigger and/or export timestamp in TLV's. None of the solution removes
> the timestamp from the per peer header.
>
> I suggest to remove
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-grow-bmp-tlv-19#section-6 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-grow-bmp-tlv-19#section-6> 
> when draft-younsi-grow-bmp-snts is being merged to reduce complexity and aim 
> simplicity.
>
> Below the relevant references from the document.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Thomas
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-grow-bmp-tlv-19#section-6 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-grow-bmp-tlv-19#section-6>
>
> An event timestamp MUST always be defined. The observation timestamp
> SHOULD always be preferred as reference for its inherent maximum
> accuracy in reporting a given event; would that not be available in an
> implementation, the next accurate timestamp SHOULD be picked up to, as a
> last resort, the time at which the information was exported.
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-younsi-grow-bmp-snts-01#section-1 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-younsi-grow-bmp-snts-01#section-1>
>
> In this document, we deprecate the Timestamp field of the Per-Peer
> Header and define a Timestamp TLV that can carry multiple types of
> Timestamps. This allows implementations of BMP to export all the
> timestamps available while being explicit about the their meaning.
>
>
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